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Aoki vs Hirota

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#1 ·
Aoki is screwed. Hirota is really hard to submit. PLus he has some ko power and recently KO'ed Ishida. AOki is gonna get beat up.
 
#4 ·
I dont like Aoki and hope he gets smashed everytime he fights. I think he is one of the most overrated fighters on the planet and he will find himself if a large amount of trouble when he starts fighting the top lightweights in Strikeforce and possibly the UFC some day (although I dont ever see him getting to the UFC, because I think he will get smashed quickly if he fights Melendez and Thomson). Is my anti Aoki bias showing?
 
#5 ·
Aoki is a hard one to rate in term of skillz because all he has going for him is his submissions, and his credentials in pure grappling aren't that great. But he has submitted a lot of guys and has proven to be very effective in MMA.

He's just very willing to go to the ground even in the bottom, and very crafty when it comes to getting subs in MMA, he deserves his top rank in MMA because he's very active and has beat decent names like JZ and Alvarez.

He's an interesting figure and i'll be watching when he's figthing
 
#7 ·
i love aoki

sexy motherfcuk he is

he made me love and appriciate what bjj is so hexs abeaitofil; imo lool he needs to train with freddie roadh and get a striking hgame then he would be the best in the world
 
#19 · (Edited)
Wow... I'm waiting for some kind of explaination from Aoki. That is completely out of character for him, so I assume there was a reason in particular. I'm perfectly fine with the break, because he didn't tap, but it would take a lot for me to continue to to talk sh** to a guy who's arm I had just snapped seconds before. Seriously, I don't get it...

Never thought I would see somebody actually defeated by the chicken wing. :D
 
#20 ·
That was a nasty submission. Just seeing it snap as Aoki was cranking it was savage. The breaking of Hirota's arm was abit over the top, but if Hirota wasn't going to tap, then I guess Aoki had to keep cranking; giving him and the crowd the finger after the fight isn't on though. I thought Lesnar's antics after UFC 100 were bad....
 
#21 ·
He's recently apologized, though it seems pretty weak to me.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/Aoki-apologizes-for-middle-finger-then-goes-Kell?urn=mma,211398&post_comment=1&success=1
It was an ugly night at times for DREAM and Sengoku as the Japanese promotions combined to battle at Dynamite! 2009 in Saitama, Japan on New Year's Ever. A very solid fight card was marred by the out-of-control behavior of Japan's biggest MMA star Shinya Aoki. The 26-year-old jiu-jitsu ace snap his opponent's arm and gave everyone he could the middle finger. That included his downed victim Mizuto Hirota, the crowd and Hirota's corner. Aoki apologized for flipping everyone the bird:
"After my fight, I was excited, and so I did something rude that I should apologize for. But that showed just how excited I was over that fight."
But he wasn't about to say sorry for cracking Hirota's humerus:
"When I had his arm behind his back, I could feel it popping," said Aoki. "I thought, 'Well, this guy's pride just won't let him tap, will it?' So without hesitation, I broke it. I heard it break, and I thought, 'Ah, there, I just broke it.' I was stopped afterward, but even if I hadn't been, continuing to break it more would have been fine by me."
Then Aoki went all Kellen Winslow Jr. essentially stating he's an [expletive] soldier: "When [DREAM's event producer Keiichi] Sasahara tells me to go and do something, I do it, and that's how I live my life. If Sasahara tells me to go to Strikeforce and take them out or 'Go and kill that guy,' I'm going to do it. Even if he tells me to go take out [FEG executive Sadaharu] Tanigawa, I'd do that too." Aoki also called out Japanese rival lightweight Tatsuya Kawajiri: "I received a challenge from [Kawajiri], and so without telling him to shut the [expletive] up, I accept the challenge and look forward to our fight." Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker was in Japan for the event with the goal of signing Aoki for a U.S. fight in the first quarter of 2010.
 
#22 ·
Honestly, I never really like him, he always came off kinda weird to me. Just a strange guy in my mind! But I love to see him fighting.

And that what he said there wasn't a apology! :thumbsdown:

But at one point he was right, he couldn't do anything else then break his arm. If the guy has to much pride like he mentioned, then he deserves it sad but true. Maybe he learns from this mistake in the future. Just tap man, there is no shame in doing so.
 
#23 · (Edited)
here's what I really think, Aoki is a douche that needs to get punched in the face. Yes, though Hirota displayed a little too much heart by not tapping earlier the arm breakage was unecessary. Aoki didn't even give the guy a chance to tap at that last attempt he just went all out for the kill. To makes things worst he parades around the ring acting like a prick & even admitting to intentionally breaking the guys arm afterwards. Oh how I wished he'd come to the US so he'd get Sakurai-ed again. I'll give the guy props for having a brilliant groundgame that applies good to modern day mma but in the US he wont be able to do much against the likes of bigger & stronger opponents like the UFC & Strikeforce lightweight rosters that majority are good solid wrestlers with good enough ground game to out power Aoki in positions. He'll get Lesnar-ed..against the top LW in the US...though I'd be more happy with another Sakurai-like punch to his ugly face that sends him looking retarded again..
 
#25 ·
Man his apology actually makes him sound more like a douchebag, I mean he actually says that he knew his arm was broken but if it hadn't of been stopped he would have just kept wrecking it. F*** Aoki I had little interest in seeing him get his ass beat by BJ before but I would be down to see him get Diego'd now.
 
#26 ·
So what should he have done? He said it was popping and the guy wasn't tapping. Should he have let go and tried for a different sub, to see if that one would hurt him enough to make him tap? Isn't it his job, when it comes to submissions, to either threaten a fighter with, or injure your opponent until you win?

I seriously don't understand how anyone can have a problem with him breaking the arm. The guy could easily have verbally tapped, and Aoki would have stopped. Nothing he said implied that he would have broken it had he not submitted.

It is the fighters job to submit and/or the refs job to stop it when a fighter is in danger.
 
#27 ·
I understand him breaking the arm cause the guy wouldn't tap but to say after you broke it that you would have been happy to continue to do further damage (after the break) had the ref not stopped it is a little sadistic, I mean its one thing to break his arm but to almost sound disappointed you didn't get to do even more damage? Yay, maybe next time the ref won't stop it and he can rip the bone right through the skin.
 
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#29 ·
I think you are reading that into it.
I was stopped afterward, but even if I hadn't been, continuing to break it more would have been fine by me."
That just tells me that he doesn't care one way or another if the guy is too stupid to submit. What if he had simply dislocated it, let go because he had thought it was broken, and then Hirota turned around and Ko'd him with a scott smith-esque balboa punch? We would all be calling him a fool for not finishing the fight.

All I'm saying is that I'm not hearing the same thing you are when I read his comments.

Also, on a side note, does anyone else know how good his english is? (if he can speak it at all?) If he is being translated, I wonder if that changes this at all. Just curious.
 
#32 ·
Also, on a side note, does anyone else know how good his english is? (if he can speak it at all?) If he is being translated, I wonder if that changes this at all. Just curious.
His English is very poor! I don't even know if he knows what Thank you means. But why should the translator change his actual sentence? They get decent money for not doing so!
 
#31 ·
I hadn't seen a lot of Aoki's fights, but wow, what a coward this guy is. Flip the guy off after his arm is broken, and the fans who pay your salary.

I saw one quote from Bruce Lee applied to this fight in a different article, and really liked it. Aoki and Lesnar should make a note.

Bruce Lee - "Showing off is the fool's idea of glory."

I agree with a previous post about Penn too. I thought it would be a waste of time for Penn to expose Aoki, but now I could live with watching him get pummelled for the minute or two he would last against BJ.
 
#34 · (Edited)
Yeah, lots of things get easily lost in translation. I really think that Aoki was just pumped because his boss basically said "Go kill him" and he did. Also he talks about that fight being the proverbial "Nail in the coffin" for Sengoku, with whom his employer DREAM has an ongoing feud with. Aoki seems like a really loyal guy, especially to DREAM, and being able to put that nail in the coffin of Sengoku for his boss had to be one hell of a rush. Him flipping Hirota off was like "Yeah **** you Sengoku!" not like "Yeah I just whooped your ass Hirota!" That my take on it given teh circumstances surrounding the events and the way Aoki acts and what he's said.

BTW: Sherdog Article (sheds a little more light on it than Yahoo!)

SAITAMA, Japan -- Dream lightweight champion Shinya Aoki not only turned in his most brutal submission Thursday but also his most controversial behavior.

After breaking the arm of Sengoku champion Mizuto Hirota with a hammerlock, the Dream lightweight champion followed it with a middle finger to Hirota, his corner and the audience. Aoki’s actions drew the ire of FEG and Dream officials, as Dream event producer Keichi Sasahara said Aoki was sternly reprimanded for his post-fight celebration.

Although Aoki apologized, his attitude indicated he was not particularly repentant.

“After my fight, I was excited, and so I did something rude that I should apologize for. But that showed just how excited I was over that fight,” said Aoki, despite stating prior to Dynamite that Hirota was a “virtual unknown.”

“When I had his arm behind his back, I could feel it popping,” Aoki said. “I thought, 'Well, this guy's pride just won't let him tap, will it?' So without hesitation, I broke it. I heard it break, and I thought, 'Ah, there, I just broke it.' I was stopped afterward, but even if I hadn't been, continuing to break it more would have been fine by me.”

Sasahara reported Friday that Hirota suffered a fractured humerus.

“Dream got a solid win [with my victory over Hirota], so that was good, but we finished off Sengoku. Although Sengoku was already finished from the very beginning,” Aoki chided, twisting the knife.

Aoki claimed his killer instinct came from a sense of duty to Dream and its management company, Real Entertainment.

“When Sasahara tells me to go and do something, I do it, and that's how I live my life,” he said. “If Sasahara tells me to go to Strikeforce and take them out or 'Go and kill that guy,' I'm going to do it. Even if he tells me to go take out Tanigawa, I'd do that too.”
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Dynamite-Notebook-Aoki-Apologizes-amp-Overeem-Plans-on-Fedor-21808

Bolded part is what makes me think what I do.
 
#42 ·
Yeah, lots of things get easily lost in translation. I really think that Aoki was just pumped because his boss basically said "Go kill him" and he did. Also he talks about that fight being the proverbial "Nail in the coffin" for Sengoku, with whom his employer DREAM has an ongoing feud with. Aoki seems like a really loyal guy, especially to DREAM, and being able to put that nail in the coffin of Sengoku for his boss had to be one hell of a rush. Him flipping Hirota off was like "Yeah **** you Sengoku!" not like "Yeah I just whooped your ass Hirota!" That my take on it given teh circumstances surrounding the events and the way Aoki acts and what he's said.

BTW: Sherdog Article (sheds a little more light on it than Yahoo!)



http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Dynamite-Notebook-Aoki-Apologizes-amp-Overeem-Plans-on-Fedor-21808

Bolded part is what makes me think what I do.
I agree.
 
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