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Old 01-02-2010, 08:32 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It's good to see people still believe in Arlovski. He's one of my favorite HW's, and I love watching him fight.
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Arlovski has some of the best hands in MMA bar none, his boxing is probably top 5 at worst but his head movement is lacking and he doesn't keep his hands up, his striking is ferocious and his defense mediocre.
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He was big name in boxing long before Manny. Tyson, Hopkins, Toney, Klitchko, Moorer just to name a few. He is definately a world class boxing trainer but he seems to underestimate alot of aspects of MMA.

You mean he was in boxing before Tyson, Klitchko and the rest.......I know...My point is he never really has had a fighter the caliber of Manny and if he didnt have Manny while he was once a respected fighter himself(Roach) his status as a trainer wouldnt be what it is without Manny.....he would be considered a good trainer but IMO he gets to much clout, who else has he trained that are world champs....
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You mean he was in boxing before Tyson, Klitchko and the rest.......I know...My point is he never really has had a fighter the caliber of Manny and if he didnt have Manny while he was once a respected fighter himself(Roach) his status as a trainer wouldnt be what it is without Manny.....he would be considered a good trainer but IMO he gets to much clout, who else has he trained that are world champs....
Apart from Manny he has trained...Bernard Hopkins, Amir Khan who is a world champ at light welter, James Toney (a former world champ), he trained Oscar for a bit as well, oh and of course there is Mike Tyson. So to be fair even without Manny his resume is pretty impressive.
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You mean he was in boxing before Tyson, Klitchko and the rest.......I know...My point is he never really has had a fighter the caliber of Manny and if he didnt have Manny while he was once a respected fighter himself(Roach) his status as a trainer wouldnt be what it is without Manny.....he would be considered a good trainer but IMO he gets to much clout, who else has he trained that are world champs....
ummm all those fighters i named, Tyson, Hopkins, Toney, Klitcho..... are all fighters Freddie Roach trained before he trained Manny... he was a big name in boxing long before Manny was. His status was top notch long before Manny was a household name.

Former World Champions?? All the names i mentioned above and a few others if you want me to dig??
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ummm all those fighters i named, Tyson, Hopkins, Toney, Klitcho..... are all fighters Freddie Roach trained before he trained Manny... he was a big name in boxing long before Manny was. His status was top notch long before Manny was a household name.

Former World Champions?? All the names i mentioned above and a few others if you want me to dig??
Thats just not true, he trained tyson while he trained Manny....
No, I have Wiki also, my point is he didnt train them from the start, he didnt make them....basically. Tyson for example, Freddie helped get him tuned up to fight, he didnt make Mike.....

The only guy he really can claim as his true pupil thats been an bsoloute success is Manny...

He trained Tyson for example at 36 yrs old for his fight in Memphis, when Mike couldnt really get sanctioned anywhere after eatin holyfield's ear....

He trained Mike at 36.....Manny has been fighting with freddie in his corner for many more years....what are you talking about???


The fact is Freddie is peaking as a manager now....not before he got Manny.....here:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ner/index.html


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Freddie Roach has become the go-to guy for a feel-good story in boxing. He's the former pug of middling ability turned master builder of the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world; the altar boy turned acolyte of legendary cornerman Eddie Futch (and Eddie begat Freddie); the trainer to the stars (he's worked with Mickey Rourke! Marky Mark!) who has become a star in his own right, as the wise, calm voice amid the behind-the-scenes madness of HBO's 24/7, and a friend to boxing writers everywhere for his thoughtful, engaging (and always crafty) interviews. And, of course, he is a model of courage, battling his Parkinson's with grace and dignity even as he works to protect his own fighters from the same sort of damage in the ring.
Plus, he's funny and a really nice guy.
All of which is compelling, but it doesn't make Roach SI.com's Trainer of the Year.
What makes him that is the fact that he can really train fighters, and had a great 2009 doing so. At 49, Roach is at the top of his game -- at the very top of the game. His star charge, of course, is Manny Pacquiao. Now Pacquiao, who in '09 cemented his status as boxing's best by flattening Ricky Hatton and brutally dismantling Miguel Cotto, would make any trainer look great. But the fact is that Roach has made, and continues to make, Pacquiao better. He has harnessed the boxer's immense energy and fighting force and channeled it ever more effectively.
Manny is a much more complete fighter now -- with a full range of offensive weapons and a superb sense of pace and control of distance in the ring -- and with Roach's guidance he executed the perfect game plans against both Hatton and Cotto. And no sooner had Cotto been dispatched than Roach was laying the foundation for Pacquiao's next bout, against Floyd Mayweather Jr. All in all, it's hard to envision a more successful trainer-fighter relationship than the one between Freddie and Manny.
But Roach is far from a one-man (or Manny) show. Over the past year, he has done very good work with a number of fighters. Foremost, perhaps, is Amir Khan. The explosive junior welterweight from Bolton, in the U.K., had run up a record of 18-0 under previous trainers before suffering a devastating 54-second knockout loss to Colombian Breidis Prescott in September 2008. It was the kind of defeat that can permanently derail a young fighter's career.
But Kahn's management brought the 23-year-old to Roach immediately after that bout, and the trainer has undertaken a complete rebuilding project.
Even Roach has said that they're "only halfway there" so far, but the signs are encouraging. After disposing of a sadly-over-the-hill Marco Antonio Barrera (big name, no risk) last March, Khan grabbed his first world title with a careful decision over Andreas Kotelnik. Then, early this month, he blasted out Dmitriy Salita in 1:16 of the first round. While it's true that no one can train a fighter to have a good chin -- and the tinkling sound of fine British china still echoes behind Khan -- but already Roach has Khan fighting with power and confidence again. In the coming year he should be a player in the stacked junior welterweight division.
And then there's Guillermo Rigondeaux. The 29-year-old super bantamweight has had just four pro fights. Before that, of course, as a member of the Cuban national team, he had more than 400 amateur bouts, winning two Olympic gold medals. The 5-foot-7 southpaw, who defected early in 2009, is, not surprisingly, far more polished than other new pros. Roach's task, therefore, is to tweak Rigondeaux's skills to make them more suitable to the professional ranks. Last week Rigondeaux passed a minor test, going eight rounds for the first time in his life to take an easy win over somebody named Lantey Addy in New York City. Hardly earth-shaking but, to Roach, a step in the right direction.
Last Saturday night, on the Pavlik undercard, another Roach fighter, junior middleweight Vanes Martirosyan, ran his record to 26-0 with a third-round TKO of Willie Lee. The win earned the 23-year-old Martirosyan the NABF and NABO 154-pound titles and, more important, vaulted him into contention for a big-time bout. Born in Armenia, but raised in the U.S., Martirosyan made the 2004 Olympic team, and turned pro in 2005 with Roach as his trainer. In '08, he left to train under Ronnie Shields in Houston, but returned to Roach early in '09. In his three fights since, Martirosyan has shown increased speed and power. "Freddie is teaching me to be more explosive," he says, "like Manny Pacquiao." He may be getting a little ahead of himself there, but it does appear that Martirosyan, an attractive prospect, is progressing well under Roach.

In the end, though, it all comes back to Manny. He is unquestionably the Man in the sport right now. And Roach is the man behind the Man. That says it.


Case Rested....When I asked who else has he trained that are world champs it was meant in the sense of, who did he lead to a belt, answer Manny, and Amir Khan....not which past champs after being champs has he worked with.....
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Apart from Manny he has trained...Bernard Hopkins, Amir Khan who is a world champ at light welter, James Toney (a former world champ), he trained Oscar for a bit as well, oh and of course there is Mike Tyson. So to be fair even without Manny his resume is pretty impressive.


He got Oscar ready for one fight....

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Thats just not true, he trained tyson while he trained Manny....
No, I have Wiki also, my point is he didnt train them from the start, he didnt make them....basically. Tyson for example, Freddie helped get him tuned up to fight, he didnt make Mike.....

The only guy he really can claim as his true pupil thats been an bsoloute success is Manny...

He trained Tyson for example at 36 yrs old for his fight in Memphis, when Mike couldnt really get sanctioned anywhere after eatin holyfield's ear....

He trained Mike at 36.....Manny has been fighting with freddie in his corner for many more years....what are you talking about???


The fact is Freddie is peaking as a manager now....not before he got Manny.....here:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ner/index.html






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He got Oscar ready for one fight....
huh?? Sorry but your case is far from rested and your downplaying Freddie Roach in a ridiculous way. I come from a boxing background and he is far from some flash in the can trainer just getting recognized cuz of Manny.

He has trained SEVENTEEN WORLD CHAMPIONS.... 17.... been named trainer of the year MULTIPLE times and is in the world boxing hall of fame.... to say only manny made him well known is simply untrue. It's like saying Greg Jackson is only known because of GSP and hasnt done anything else... pretty ridic imo, GSP might be his finest student but he is still one of the best trainers in the world, same thing goes for Roach and Manny.

Boxing/MMA legends reach out to him for help. From Oscar and Tyson to Andy and Arvolski.... he is highly respected for alot more reasons then simply Pacman... the man is one of the best (if not the best) in the business, comes from a boxing background (his had was FW champion in england) has over 200 amateuer + pro fights and has trained hundreds of ranked fighters and 17 world champions....
I rest my case.

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huh?? Sorry but your case is far from rested and your downplaying Freddie Roach in a ridiculous way. I come from a boxing background and he is far from some flash in the can trainer just getting recognized cuz of Manny.

He has trained SEVENTEEN WORLD CHAMPIONS.... 17.... been named trainer of the year MULTIPLE times and is in the world boxing hall of fame.... to say only manny made him well known is simply untrue. It's like saying Greg Jackson is only known because of GSP and hasnt done anything else... pretty ridic imo, GSP might be his finest student but he is still one of the best trainers in the world, same thing goes for Roach and Manny.

I rest my case.
Are you including tyson in that list of 17???

So your telling me he has led 17 different fighters to belts....they didnt have the belt, he trained them and they won it.....

I hope in that 17 your not including Tyson.....or Oscar...

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Are you including tyson in that list of 17???

So your telling me he has led 17 different fighters to belts....they didnt have the belt, he trained them and they won it.....

I hope in that 17 your not including Tyson.....or Oscar...

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including any fighter that he trained that has been a world champion, so yes, tyson and oscar are included. Having former world champions reach out to you for help is definately note worthy imo

well i cant find the total list but the names you dont want included are... but CC.... 17 is a big number either way, no??


http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh....php?p=6937225

this site says "more then 25" but gives a short list

http://www.profighting-fans.com/arti...ew_020509.html

that site says 17 but gives no list....

either way CC it's quite a bit of success... but you know boxing, so many belts hehe bound to get a few... but he is a good trainer, i dont think he is the best trainer I think Nacho Beristain is and then maybe roach or Nazim Richardson is doing a fantastic job lately.

either way, im just saying Manny is definately his star fighter. he has never really had a fighter with that kind of natural ability before besides Toney imo but i think he is a fine trainer and has been for many years, he has lead alot of decent fighters up the rankings aswell, it's just not easy to train all world champions in boxing.

Case in point most ppl probably havent heard of Nacho or his fighters...Chiquita Gonzalez, Daniel Zaragoza , Marquez, Ricardo Lopez because boxing just isnt big on the radar for most ppl lately but that list is SUPER impressive but aside from Manny or Pretty boy any roster is gonna be filled with names the general public isnt that familar with like alot of the good fighters roach has trained.]

Anyways perhaps we just disagree, i always thought Freddie was a really good trainer, long before Manny was tearing up the world and even when Manny lost to Morales and ppl were down on both Manny and freddie.

A great trainer cant make a decent fighter great, to win on the highest level you need physical abilitys that are top notch that no trainer can give you. If you go to Roach with such gifts he will more out of you then ALMOST anybody in the world imo and that's what makes a trainer great. He also loves to train and trains guy who arent top notch talent wise.

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