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Old 07-13-2010, 12:03 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Because he won the striking exchanges leif

He felt great on his feet and his kicks had beat Ribero up. In fact Ribero was the one who tried to take down Aoki.

He won that fight on his feet!
IMO Aoki has some nice subs, but his overall grappling can't hold up to some of the world class grapplers. Especially since he will be starting out on the bottom vs most of them.
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Old 07-13-2010, 12:07 PM   #22 (permalink)
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IMO Aoki has some nice subs, but his overall grappling can't hold up to some of the world class grapplers. Especially since he will be starting out on the bottom vs most of them.
Yea, but that doesn't bother him at all!

For me Aoki is the best MMA grappler today. He goes in there grabs a leg and holds on to it, until it's over. I don't see that from anybody else out there.

Maia is the only guy wich comes close right now. But he never finished a high level guy so far by submission. If he finishes Belcher then it's even closer.

But so far Aoki is the only guy who goes in there constantly and subs his opponents just like that.
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Yea, but that doesn't bother him at all!

For me Aoki is the best MMA grappler today. He goes in there grabs a leg and holds on to it, until it's over. I don't see that from anybody else out there.

Maia is the only guy wich comes close right now. But he never finished a high level guy so far by submission. If he finishes Belcher then it's even closer.

But so far Aoki is the only guy who goes in there constantly and subs his opponents just like that.
I think Maia is better, but it's a pick em.

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Shinya might be one dimensional.. but he is by far the best one dimensional grappler in the World. Bring on Maia, Werdum, Jake Shields..

There is really nobody who uses it so effectively!
I don't agree that Shields is a one dimensional grappler. He is a two dimensional grappler: great wrestling and great BJJ.
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Old 07-13-2010, 03:24 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I think Maia is better, but it's a pick em.
I think it's a pick em as well.. but actually Aoki finished much tougher competition with his sick ground skills then Maia. Maia only subbed cans so far except Chael!

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I don't agree that Shields is a one dimensional grappler. He is a two dimensional grappler: great wrestling and great BJJ.
Well if you look at it that way, then Aoki is also a two dimensional grappler with his Judo and BJJ background.
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For me Aoki is the best MMA grappler today. He goes in there grabs a leg and holds on to it, until it's over. I don't see that from anybody else out there.
I agree, with the caveat that he's the best submission grappler out there. There are a few other fantastic grapplers out there that use it more for positional control than as a means to a finish...Aoki is grabbing you for one reason and one reason only...to twist the appendage off.
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Just don't see it. There are several guys in his own division that would beat him in a grappling match.
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Just don't see it. There are several guys in his own division that would beat him in a grappling match.
Who

BJ Penn? I doupt he stands a chance anymore!
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BJ Penn? I doupt he stands a chance anymore!

What makes you say that, him losing a controversial standup battle decision?
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Old 07-14-2010, 08:22 PM   #29 (permalink)
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BJ Penn? I doupt he stands a chance anymore!
I wish I could get one of my mates to say that, because I would have £100 with anyone I know that says Penn not only wins but finishes Edgar to regain his title at UFC 118, I think we are about to see a much more aggressive BJ Penn in this next fight.

And you know the sick thing about this call is that I picked Edgar to win the fist fight, in fact I was the only person I think who thought that Edgar woudl take the title from Penn and here is the proof if you want to check it out for yourself:

http://www.mmaforum.com/ufc/74169-as...ml#post1148707

But part of the reason I made that call is because I believed Penn had become to predictable, I believed that Penn would just go out and do nothing we have not seen him do before and that he would underestimate Edgar and not try to adjust his own style and strategy to counter Edgar effectively, where as I believed that Edgar would be ready for Penn, like I said predictable.

But like I said in the post link above, I believed back then that Penn was still the better fighter and that Edgar was just a bad stylistic match up assuming he did not adjust his strategy, which he didn't and Edgar took the win just as I predicted.

But this time Penn wont made that mistake again and I believe he will come out with a better strategy to handle Edgar and I believe he will be much more aggressive and get the finish, I predict 4th round OK or TKO Penn.
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Yes, I think BJ Penn would lose a grappling match against the best MMA grappler in Shinya Aoki! Shocking isn't it?

Nice call Killershark.
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