Meshuggeth

What is the top p4p in kickboxing? I can't seem to find a list? Would Hari and Bonjasky be at the top?

MLS

They would definitely be up there. It's really hard to do P4P lists because usually they are dominated by smaller fighters but there isn't really a drop off in skill between HW's and Max fighters.

Now as far as #1 I would put Tyrone Spong up there based on skill. He doesn't have the resume like the others because he started out at 145 lbs and is bulking up to fight the HW's. But when it comes to his skill set I think he is pretty complete as a fighter.

Like Remy, very good defensively, great leg kicks, but his boxing is his biggest weakness.

Hari is powerful, good kicks, good boxing, but his defense is a little suspect as is his chin but he does have fantastic recovery ability.

Then you have Max fighters who are all really good and definitely would grab some spots on the list. But right now I think that Spong is complete, now he just needs to win big fights to solidify this, which he has started by defeating Kaoklai, Diender, Vielvoye, Staring and Mes, Samedov and he has a fight with Saki early next year.

plazzman

The HW's are a little difficult to determine, as they're more "mono-dimensional" than MAX fighters.

If we're talking about skillsets. I'd say Zimmerman has a pretty well rounded skillset, but he clearly doesn't have the credentials of most other HWs -- yet!

But, there's alot of well rounded fighters in MAX. I think Andy Sauwer is probably still number 1. He's literally amazing at everything, and I would definitely put Masato right behind him.

Someone you should keep an eye out for in MAX, to be the next Sauwer or Masato, is Kyshenko, dudes getting to be extremely solid. Just needs to work on not engaging in wild exchanges.

MLS

If Petrosyan can win against either Andy or Artur or both he definitely is gonna be up there.

But I agree on Kyshenko, as long as he stays out of wild exchanges and fights smart, he is gonna be really good.