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MLS 03-04-2009 01:43 AM

How does Spong measure up?
 
With his seeming emergence into the K-1 circuit Spong is bound to fight the big boys and a lot of what is going to determine Spong's success is if he can keep his speed as he puts weight on and so far he has managed to do that. Here is how I think some of the fights would go for Spong right now.

vs Remy Bonjasky - This is the fight I really want to see because these guys fight very similar. I would give the edge to Remy in defense and kicks and give Spong the edge in boxing. I would also give Spong the edge in putting strikes together because Remy's boxing while improved just isn't as good. As of right now, I would pick Remy on points but a very competitive fight.

vs Badr Hari - Interesting fight, Hari is a bad dude that can put any fighter to sleep when he connects. Has good boxing and good kicks, defense leaves a lot to be desired and he doesn't have a great chin but he has got some crazy recovery ability. Spong would use the same tactics that Remy has used against Hari and may catch Hari coming in but I would have to pick Hari by points as of now.

vs Peter Aerts - Aerts takes this and may stop Spong. Tyrone has a tendency to take some leg kicks instead of checking them and that's not good against Peter. Spong would need to move a lot to try and tire Peter out and then go after him.

vs Errol Zimmerman - You know, I would take Spong over Errol right now. I love Errol, love watching him fight but with the skill set Spong has I could see him taking this on points. Errol doesn't have the best gas tank and when he gets tired them hands drop and Spong can and will take advantage of this. He has to just survive the early storm from Errol and I think he could take a late TKO but more likely win on points.

vs Ewerton Teixeira - Another fight I feel Tyrone could win now. Ewerton surprised the shit out of me with how improved his boxing got between his fights with Musashi and Errol. With that said, Spong is better everywhere and would probably take this on points.

vs Gökhan Saki - Well we shall see how this fight goes in a month but I am taking Spong on points here. Spong just needs to worry about Saki's kicks and keep moving so he can take advantage of his reach and boxing advantage.

vs Ruslan Karaev - Karaev is an explosive guy and can put you on your ass. To me Karaev is a lesser version of Hari, offensively he is pretty damn good but not as good as Hari, his defense is like Hari's but a little worse, and his chin isn't great like Hari's but Hari can recover better. Spong takes this on a late TKO.

vs Jerome Le Banner - This could go a lot like JLB/Remy with the difference being Spong could offer JLB more in the way of his boxing. But at this point I think Jerome is just to damn big and knows how to deal with fighters like Spong for Spong to win. Jerome on points.

vs Semmy Schilt - Semmy is just way to big right now for Tyrone, Semmy by TKO.

vs Melvin Manhoef - The fight I really don't want to see but this goes pretty much like the fight with Errol where Spong needs to survive the early onslaught and wait for Melvin to get tired. But Melvin has a great chance of stopping Spong because of how explosive he is.

plazzman 03-04-2009 02:34 AM

I agree with some, but not all. But I'm watching the Running Man right now, and thus will give a better explanation later :D

"Hey Damon! Here, is sub-zero. Now, PLAIN-ZERO!"

Ah, gold.

bbjd7 03-04-2009 01:01 PM

I'd give my opinion but I'd just be making things up lol.

I do really like Spong the guy seems really well rounded and I like watching him a lot.

Can't wait to see how he really stacks up at the top level.

Who knows maybe Ruslan and Gokhan have a war and we see him fight for the HW title against Melvin later this month.

D.P. 03-04-2009 01:30 PM

Very good write up MLS. I won't put much input because I don't know about k-1 all that much, but those are some really, really tough fights for Spong. But that's the difference between fighters and great fighters, their ability to come out on top no matter the circumstances. And the kid just might have what it takes to make a huge impact.

MLS 03-04-2009 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by plazzman (Post 830894)
I agree with some, but not all. But I'm watching the Running Man right now, and thus will give a better explanation later :D

"Hey Damon! Here, is sub-zero. Now, PLAIN-ZERO!"

Ah, gold.

Hari and Errol where you disagree?

plazzman 03-05-2009 12:33 AM

Shit alright, I forgot to give me thoughts.

Since you're write-up is pretty solid, I'll just list what I disagree with.

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vs Remy Bonjasky - This is the fight I really want to see because these guys fight very similar. I would give the edge to Remy in defense and kicks and give Spong the edge in boxing. I would also give Spong the edge in putting strikes together because Remy's boxing while improved just isn't as good. As of right now, I would pick Remy on points but a very competitive fight
You should also mention Remy's leg kicks, which will really give Spong shitfits

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vs Badr Hari - Interesting fight, Hari is a bad dude that can put any fighter to sleep when he connects. Has good boxing and good kicks, defense leaves a lot to be desired and he doesn't have a great chin but he has got some crazy recovery ability. Spong would use the same tactics that Remy has used against Hari and may catch Hari coming in but I would have to pick Hari by points as of now
This is sort of true, but I for some reason still see Hari taking it. It's a serious toss-up but I just have Hari ahead currently. I'll give my final verdict after Saki/Spong
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vs Peter Aerts - Aerts takes this and may stop Spong. Tyrone has a tendency to take some leg kicks instead of checking them and that's not good against Peter. Spong would need to move a lot to try and tire Peter out and then go after him.
You know, I just can't see Aerts really stopping anyone these days, especially at the caliber of Spong. I think he can be overwhelmed easily by Spong the same way he was overwhelmed by Hari. He's just too slow these days. But I'd love to see how Aerts looks in his next match to give a final verdict.

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vs Ewerton Teixeira - Another fight I feel Tyrone could win now. Ewerton surprised the shit out of me with how improved his boxing got between his fights with Musashi and Errol. With that said, Spong is better everywhere and would probably take this on points.
Spong IS better everywhere, and Teix doesn't handle well with faster fighters who can close the distance. Teix's boxing has improved, but he still doesn't like getting hit in the head. A good, tight boxer will always beat him.

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vs Gökhan Saki - Well we shall see how this fight goes in a month but I am taking Spong on points here. Spong just needs to worry about Saki's kicks and keep moving so he can take advantage of his reach and boxing advantage.
Saki can get careless sometimes with his flashiness, and I could see Spong catching him with a quick one. But then again, I can see Saki catching Spong with one of those quick ones as well. But we'll see soon

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vs Jerome Le Banner - This could go a lot like JLB/Remy with the difference being Spong could offer JLB more in the way of his boxing. But at this point I think Jerome is just to damn big and knows how to deal with fighters like Spong for Spong to win. Jerome on points.
That's very true, but the question is CAN he. He's become very much like Aerts in that his body just isn't what it used to be. And a faster kid will almost always beat him (certainly not easily though) But as always, all Jerome has to do is connect.

Although I will say, Jerome didn't look bad at all vs. Schilt.

MLS 03-05-2009 02:02 AM

Yeah Remy's leg kicks would give him problems, I would see Spong trying to keep him up against the ropes or in the corner (since Remy is as physical as some of the others) as often as he could to help out with this and try and fight in close. Though, then you bring Remy's knees in to the equation.

Yeah I still think Hari takes it right now, to me it's just whether or not it's on points or by stoppage. Hari can ******* pressure you like no other so he could overwhelm Spong and catch him with something.

I can't picture Aerts as anything other than the ass kicker he was back in the day. :(

I think Jerome still could or at least bully Spong around if he gets into some trouble.

plazzman 03-05-2009 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MLS (Post 831828)
Yeah Remy's leg kicks would give him problems, I would see Spong trying to keep him up against the ropes or in the corner (since Remy is as physical as some of the others) as often as he could to help out with this and try and fight in close. Though, then you bring Remy's knees in to the equation.

Yeah I still think Hari takes it right now, to me it's just whether or not it's on points or by stoppage. Hari can ******* pressure you like no other so he could overwhelm Spong and catch him with something.

I can't picture Aerts as anything other than the ass kicker he was back in the day. :(

I think Jerome still could or at least bully Spong around if he gets into some trouble.

Yeah, no one can match Hari's pressure, it's almost new to K-1 (Since the golden age) and that's why no one can handle it (except for good counter punchers)

And yeah I figured thats still how you see Aerts, and thats how I wish I could as well.

I'm still doubtful on JLB, unfortunately.

Uchaaa 03-05-2009 06:55 AM

How big is tyrone now? In the highlights at youtube he looks too small to defeat heavyweights.

MLS 03-05-2009 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Uchaaa (Post 831886)
How big is tyrone now? In the highlights at youtube he looks too small to defeat heavyweights.

He is 6'2-6'3 up to 210-215 lbs now, so he is about the same weight as Saki and Karaev and I think Hari is about 225-230 so he isn't to far off from him.


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