Originally Posted by pt447
excellent! i was so waiting for you to bring this up.
i do not believe that a person has a choice in whom they are attracted to. but, i do not, for a second, believe that any situation involving children is akin to any situation involving adults. children must alwasy be protected, and while it is hypocritical to say "any one can like anyone they want" and yet condemn pedophilia, there does have to be a line.
two adults have the choice whether or not to engage each other however they wish. but a child, as we already recognize by law, has no ability to willfully act in their own best interests, being a child. unfortunatly, pedophiles desires break that line and harm children. yes, there is a divide, and recognizing that divide is important. there are dozens of reasons--if the main one isn't sufficiant--why pedophilia is wrong, but there is not a single, even possible, reason why same-sex, adult relationships shouldn't be equally protected in all ways of law and society!
basically, LUV, you committed the most often committed logical fallacy; the slippery slope. i am talking about same-sex relationships between adults, and you literally changed the subject to apply another set of principles to the original argument as a recourse for not having a rebuttle to my claim.
i hated logic class, but it was one of the most important i've ever taken!
Well, you may have a point. But I don't think I changed the subject. You were the one who said they can't help the way they feel. So they were born that way correct? Well now you're making it seem like gays don't have those emotions until they are full grown adults, which is untrue according to what you said earlier. If they were born gay, then they were gay as a child too. And I am not asking if pedophiles should be allowed to marry
, I am asking if they should be excused from their behavior. And murderers, and cannabals. You can't put gays in a separate group. They all have something in common. They were born with these twisted emotions and they can't help it. Some act on it and some don't. So why should I feel sorry for gay couples, but I should hate pedophiles and cannabals, even if they've never actually acted on their emotions before.
There are cannibals out there and pedophiles who engage in their activities under consent. Cannibals who allow other cannibals to eat parts of them, young teens who agree to having sex with full grown adults. (Both in other countries of course, not here). Like I said, I'm not askign if they should marry. I'm just asking if I'm supposed to accept the behavior of a gay couple, should I also accept the behavior of cannibals and pedophiles and beastiality?
Now, of course I'm not asking if pedophiles should be allowed to stalk down innocent random kids and **** them, or cannibals be allowed to stalk down strangers and eat parts of their body, but if both parties are willing, like in the case of gays, should we condone it?
Also, gays wouldn't get so much shit if they didn't create their own stereotype with the lisps, and metrosexual wardrobe in gay men, or the short hair, flannel shirts with gay women. If they want to be treated equal, then maybe they shouldn't have separated themselves by making themselves look like a whole nother species. They don't need to flaunt that they are gay. It would be like a cannibal walking aroung gnawing on a human foot that his partner let him have. Nobody wants to see that shit. Keep it to yourselves and don't let the rest of the world get a mental picture of what you do in your personal time and maybe life would be a bit easier for them.
But still a part of me agrees with you PT. Why should I give a shit if they want to get married? It doesn't really hurt me I guess. But there's always the other part of me thinking no they shouldn't be allowed to get married. I don't know, not that my opinion matters anyway. I still think it's ok the way they are doing it, by letting the state decide.