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Recently read some articles on the fallen heroes in Iraq and in Afghanistan. It's been an eye opener.

We live in this bubble while brave men fight for our freedom.

If you need to feel inspired read this article on a triple amputee veteran completing a grueling 10.5 mile endurance race called The Beast over five-hours to honor fallen U.S. soldiers. I'm glad I donated $75 towards the rehabilitation of veteran soldiers especially cuz Randy Couture was promoting it.

Covered in mud, five hours after starting, triple amputee Corporal Todd Love charges to the finish line after competing over ten miles of rugged terrain across 75 obstacles in an event called The Beast.
Having lost both his legs and an arm in Afghanistan in 2010, this weekend Love took to Leesburg, Virginia, in an extreme endurance test called The Spartan Race with his eight-man other comrades of Team X.T.R.E.M.E.
Made up of wounded servicemen and women, the team helped Love scale eight-foot high walls, speed along high-wires, crawl through mud and bound across the ground as they honoured their ongoing mission to raise awareness of the nation's wounded heroes.

Purposefully wearing a mask and visor to restrict his breathing by up to 30-percent - thereby making it more difficult to complete the event - Love who now weighs only 100-pounds after stepping on a landmine - struggled to compete the event.

'The Team dons gas masks as a way to symbolise perseverance in the face of insurmountable odds,' said Jeremy Soles, Founder of Team Team X-T.R.E.M.E.

'Our challenges in the mask last for hours, our Wounded Warriors endure their challenges for a lifetime.'
The picture of Love drenched and bravely struggling to the finish has been seen by millions on the Internet and has become an inspiration to the able bodied as well as those who have been injured serving their country.
'I am pretty surprised with how much attention I've got in the last 24 hours,' said 22-year-old Love.
'I have been trying to keep up with it and I just want to thank everyone that has been with me since the beginning.
'I will try to keep up the adventures (safely) and inspiration.
'I will promise I will never let what I can't do interfere with what I can do.'

Leesburg is usually reserved for horse-racing, but on the wet and muddy course Team X-T.R.E.M.E. mostly carried Love around, but the former serviceman did conquer obstacles himself - including one heroic solo hill climb at the halfway point.
One of the mantra's of the team is to never leave anyone behind and throughout The Beast, each event had to be completed by all eight members before they moved on.
The race is designed to push all the participants to their limit, mentally and physically and the fact that a man with no legs and only one arm managed to complete all 10.5 miles and 75 obstacles has inspired millions.
Marine Cpl. Todd Simpson of Acworth, Georgia is a third generation marine.

On his return home five months after his accident, the triple amputee was treated like a hero by his family and hundreds of well-wishers.
He said 'I don't know what to say right now.Thank you so much. It's nice to be home. I love y'all.'
At Dallas Park, Love even joked about his injury. He said: 'I was up front with the minesweepers searching for explosives and I found them. I guess that’s the easiest way to put it. 'I'm still the same man.I was a boy when I left, but now I'm man. I haven't lost anything in my eyes.'
Since the incident, Love has been recovering at the National Naval Medical Center and Walter Reed Army Medical Center. He's been in outpatient rehabilitation and helped by his brother Brandon


An extreme sports enthusiast, Love has gone skiing in Pennsylvania and Colorado three times since losing his legs, using adapted skis.

He has refused to let his injuries prevent him from living his life to the fullest of his abilities.

In addition to the skiing, Love has participated in skydiving and surfing in Hawaii and even wrestled a 400-pound alligator in Florida.
Touchingly, the injured veteran has also learned to play piano, displaying his skills at performing Bach on a YouTube video.

If you would like to make a donation to Team X.T.R.E.M.E please visit here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-soldiers.html

If any of you would like to add names feel free to do so to honour your friends and family.
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'I will promise I will never let what I can't do interfere with what I can do.'
What an amazing outlook on such a horrific thing to happen to someone. What an awesome guy.
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Not trying to be a dick, but theres something I have never understood. How can someone be a brave hero, fighting to protect their country...whilst in another country? I don't get how an American soldier in Iraq is doing anything other than supressing local militia while the government **** the land's natural resources. It's always been a wierd statement to me. If I was to join the army, it'd be for my own reasons, and I've been close to joining the British and Irish armies on a few occasions. But I wouldnt be pretendinng to myself that I'm the good guy. America won the war by fending off the English who were trying to invade their land, becoming a heroic nation, right? Then how can the Iraqis not be considered heros in fending off the Americans who are currently invading their land?

Also, if someone wants to throw 9/11 at me as a reason for why America have to be present in the Middle East, then I'll throw down hiroshima and nagosaki at your ass. Pearl Harbour happens every day in Bagdad, and 9/11 was nothing more than a less malicious version of what the American military did in Japan those years ago.

My view:- If you're fighting a war in a country which isn't your own, YOU are the bad guy. Wether that be America in Middle East, Isreal in Palestine, or when the Scots tried to take over English land. The 'Taliban' is just a more heavily propagandanized (huh?) version of the IRA.
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Not trying to be a dick, but theres something I have never understood. How can someone be a brave hero, fighting to protect their country...whilst in another country? I don't get how an American soldier in Iraq is doing anything other than supressing local militia while the government **** the land's natural resources. It's always been a wierd statement to me. If I was to join the army, it'd be for my own reasons, and I've been close to joining the British and Irish armies on a few occasions. But I wouldnt be pretendinng to myself that I'm the good guy. America won the war by fending off the English who were trying to invade their land, becoming a heroic nation, right? Then how can the Iraqis not be considered heros in fending off the Americans who are currently invading their land?

Also, if someone wants to throw 9/11 at me as a reason for why America have to be present in the Middle East, then I'll throw down hiroshima and nagosaki at your ass. Pearl Harbour happens every day in Bagdad, and 9/11 was nothing more than a less malicious version of what the American military did in Japan those years ago.

My view:- If you're fighting a war in a country which isn't your own, YOU are the bad guy. Wether that be America in Middle East, Isreal in Palestine, or when the Scots tried to take over English land. The 'Taliban' is just a more heavily propagandanized (huh?) version of the IRA.

Out of box thinking, unfortunately somewhat tainted.

Get one thing straight. Soldiers do not get involved with politics. They are there to follow orders and enforce the policy. I would invite you to express your opinions on military boards if you feel that strongly about it. I on the other hand am open minded and see where you are coming from.

The Brits colonized America. America decided to revolt and form their own independent sovereign nation. The cassus belli was "taxation without representation." Then as a message they decided to dump tea over board; Boston Tea Party. I visited a lot of these historical sites, but anyone could tell you the story. It wasn't an invasion. The Brits set up base in New York then tried to get the colonists under control which they failed because of the minute men who engaged in guerilla warfare. Something ironically the US has dealt with in Vietnam (containment) and Afghanistan (control of the regions for possible economic reasons).

Majority US soldiers were engaged in the European theater and were about to be recalled to Japan. To save US lives, time, and resources they warned Japan to surrender. They also wanted to send a clear msg this is what happens when you bomb the USA first at Pearl Harbour. Clyde, do you even know why the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour, why specifically there without Googling it. They did not capitulate therefore the second bomb dropped and soon after they surrendered. Perhaps you should read about the Nanking Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre). Imagine them occupying your homeland, you would think much differently. Japan did not follow the rules of conduct. Japan had much to atone to.

What you say trivializes the soldiers there who have made the ultimate sacrifice for their nations. Perhaps you would feel differently if it were a family member or friend who served and didn't make it back home. We don't have to agree with the war, but we have to accept it as it is and salute them nonetheless.
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Out of box thinking, unfortunately somewhat tainted.

Get one thing straight. Soldiers do not get involved with politics. They are there to follow orders and enforce the policy.
edit - not going to get into this debate again so deleted my long post.

I don't respect U.S soldiers. I don't "disrespect" them either, though. I'm neutral and respect them as I'd respect my pizza delivery guy. I had typed out a long post about why soldiers don't deserve any extra respect beyond any other job, but then that will just start a debate that I honestly don't want to have. I'll just leave it at that.
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Out of box thinking, unfortunately somewhat tainted.

Get one thing straight. Soldiers do not get involved with politics. They are there to follow orders and enforce the policy. I would invite you to express your opinions on military boards if you feel that strongly about it. I on the other hand am open minded and see where you are coming from.

The Brits colonized America. America decided to revolt and form their own independent sovereign nation. The cassus belli was "taxation without representation." Then as a message they decided to dump tea over board; Boston Tea Party. I visited a lot of these historical sites, but anyone could tell you the story. It wasn't an invasion. The Brits set up base in New York then tried to get the colonists under control which they failed because of the minute men who engaged in guerilla warfare. Something ironically the US has dealt with in Vietnam (containment) and Afghanistan (control of the regions for possible economic reasons).

Majority US soldiers were engaged in the European theater and were about to be recalled to Japan. To save US lives, time, and resources they warned Japan to surrender. They also wanted to send a clear msg this is what happens when you bomb the USA first at Pearl Harbour. Clyde, do you even know why the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour, why specifically there without Googling it. They did not capitulate therefore the second bomb dropped and soon after they surrendered. Perhaps you should read about the Nanking Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre). Imagine them occupying your homeland, you would think much differently. Japan did not follow the rules of conduct. Japan had much to atone to.

What you say trivializes the soldiers there who have made the ultimate sacrifice for their nations. Perhaps you would feel differently if it were a family member or friend who served and didn't make it back home. We don't have to agree with the war, but we have to accept it as it is and salute them nonetheless.
I did the political side of things in school, but cant in my fuk remember it. But really, America is in Iraq fighting a war. That's all that is needed. The day any Middle Eastern country invades America, thats the day they can be justified to fight. As I said, 9/11 was a long awaited response to American soldiers refusing to cease presence in their country, and refusing to stop policing their community. Obviously a horrible thing, but I just think if people think, and they do, that America are justified to enter the Middle East based on that travesty, then imagine what Japan would have been justified to do after, in retaliation to their bombing of US military ships, two of their cities wre ablithorated. My spelling sucks today so you know, leave that out

And of course, I agree with your closing points. As I said, if I was a soldier I'd be one for my own reasons. I wouldnt fool myself into thinking it's for my country. Just because theres a certain flag flying off the RV, doesnt mean we're not in someone elses country telling their soldiers to disarm. If a family member was there, and wether or not something happened, I'd salute that they made a decision to enter one of the most difficult occupations on the planet.

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I don't respect U.S soldiers. I don't "disrespect" them either, though. I'm neutral and respect them as I'd respect my pizza delivery guy. I had typed out a long post about why soldiers don't deserve any extra respect beyond any other job, but then that will just start a debate that I honestly don't want to have. I'll just leave it at that.
I respect them as in it's a hell of a job, and they are setting up and committing to something which most people arent even capable of doing. I don't really respect the heroism or that they are fighting for freedom, because I dont believe they are.
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So those against the US being in the Middle East. How do you feel about what happened with both Saddam and Osama? Did they do the right thing by capturing/killing these men?
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I don't respect U.S soldiers. I don't "disrespect" them either, though. I'm neutral and respect them as I'd respect my pizza delivery guy. I had typed out a long post about why soldiers don't deserve any extra respect beyond any other job, but then that will just start a debate that I honestly don't want to have. I'll just leave it at that.
We are all big boys here. I would like to read what you think about this.
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So those against the US being in the Middle East. How do you feel about what happened with both Saddam and Osama? Did they do the right thing by capturing/killing these men?
I won't pretend I know the whole score, but both were wanted in their own countries more so by America were they not? They were hailed by some, and murderers to others. It's the kind of situation where a mate of mine is a drug dealer, and he's a sound guy, but if he gets his face smashed in for dodgey dealing tommorow I'll know he deserved it. Saddam and Osama weren't just enemies to the US, they were tyrants and powerless dictators. They didnt have the power to control an entire country but sacrifices their own people in order to fuel a vendetta against America. They would always have to be eliminated because their threat would have stengthened with America searching for peace.

I'm not against war. I'm not a hippy who thinks the world can like harmoniously. If MGS has taught me anything, it's that the war economy is a massive industry, and oil being an added goal at the end of it only boosts the profits. I just wouldnt fool myself into thinking that I'm one of the heros. It's like a henchman for a mod boss believing that he is one of the good guys. I'm pretty sure this vid sums it up...

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