Seeing this happen, especially with children hits a raw nerve with me. So unneccesary, so cowardly, brings me to tears seeing news clips on a group of children dead and never got to experience their lives.
Christmas will forever be a time of sorrow and heartbreak for the parents.
While I understand and respect that you don't like the man, let's keep the thread on topic mate. Obama's address was meant for the public and was related to the shootings, your rant - was not
Its not about me not liking the man. Its about his reaction to this horrible tragedy. No emotion. He's the president and he couldn't even express his feelings on the situation without constantly looking down on his script. That being said, I have diverted slighlty off topic so I won't rant anymore.
Mannn, so f*cking sick. Breaking news last night came on right before Family Guy. First time I had not laughed at that show. I really don't know what to think. It really puts things into perspective. Makes all my own little problems seem inconsequential. M.C, I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. Its natural you say. Maybe its within our human nature to kill others, but to go into a school with a gun and mow down a bunch of children is not natural. Not in my eyes anyway. I'm not gonna neg rep you or anything stupid like that. You're an awesome poster, I just think we have a difference of opinion here. No biggie. My thoughts are going to be with the victims and their families for a while. Chest feels heavy.
It is very natural for quite a lot of humans to do this kind of thing. If you pop over into SA, you will see disgusting things like this happening every other day, things that would make your skin crawl 10X what happened yesterday. Every part of the world has things like this happening, and the simple fact that in a very stable, managable, "1st world" country it's still happening and quite frequently (school shootings, parents killing their own kids, mass ****, holding little girls prisoner in basements for 20 years as a sex slave, etc) just shows how much humans have this within them and it's all natural, these people aren't hyped up on drugs most of the time, they are just humans acting on what they feel naturally.
Not saying it's not sad and disturbing because it is, it's awful, much of nature is awful by the standards that we have implemented for our society. If you step into the wild you will see some really sick, disgusting crap, but they are "just animals" so people tend to go "well that's nature", but fail to realize we are just wild apes and wild animals, and when sick crap happens with us, it's also "just nature", it just hits a lot closer to home so we don't think about it like that.
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Emotional? There was no tremor in his voice, no actual tears, what the hell was he pretending to wipe away? If he felt so emotional about it why couldn't he address the media without having to CONSTANTLY look at his script. Key word here, SCRIPT! He's fraud. A puppet. How can he truly get so upset about this when children die every day in places like Iraq, Afgahnistan, Pakistan etc at the hands of U.S soldiers. He has their blood on his hands while he goes and eats a f*cking hotdog at a basketball game. Please don't buy into this crap. He shouldn't even be the Prez as he was born in Hawaii BEFORE it became a U.S state.
I apologise for going a little off topic but it angers me when people buy into his bullshit.
Lyrics from Nocturnal Rainbows by Hopsin.
Its so sad whats happened and thats why I've acted in anger here. Not to to Budhisten. Awesome poster. But to the way the media portray this utter tool.
I agree with you here for sure, though.
I'm not anti-Obama or pro-Obama, but he was definitely not upset or crying there, he was wiping away invisible tears, it's all for PR and to make an appearance, I mean that is his job, I don't hold it against him but I definitely find it kinda funny, he is a bad actor.
As with all gun crime, we are going to have a lot of people telling us that you Americans should submit to a gun ban as a result of this tragedy. And it is a f****** tragedy.
Let's do some maths.
There's what, 312 million people in America? Let's round that down to 300 million.
And there's what, 30,000 gun deaths a year in America?
That works out to about 0.01% of the population dying each year as a result of gun violence. And less than 10% of that 0.01% is a result of these types of spree killings. The vast majority of gun deaths in America are gang or domestic violence related.
Meanwhile 225,000 people die in America every year from lung cancer for a whopping 0.075% of the population dying annually. The government's response? Warning labels on cigarette packs warning that cigarettes can cause death by way of lung cancer. (and if you think I'm being glib here, my own dad died from lung cancer and he didn't even smoke)
Just for a little perspective on this 'epidemic' of gun violence. Perhaps a more even-handed approach would be warning labels on guns warning that guns can cause death.
My thoughts are with the families of the victims, but 0.01% of the population dying annually simply isn't enough to warrant any kind of policy change.
If 0.01% of the population died each year from acute alcohol poisoning as result of 'butt-chugging' it would be a late night punch line. No one would be pushing for a ban on funnels.
What you really need to start doing south of the border, is educating people that mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of. If you suspect your son is mentally ill, ignoring the problem out of shame is not going to help anyone. And if you experience violent or suicidal thoughts, people need to be educated that going and getting help is not 'weak'. Meanwhile, laws need to be put in place preventing employers from excluding workers courageous enough to seek professional help for their mental illness (another key reason people don't seek help).
These aren't gun crimes. They're the result of a system that punishes and abandons mentally ill people. And people who see possible mental illness in family members ignore the problem because of the social stigma associated with mental illness.
Gun crime is what happens when a car jacking, home invasion or robbery goes bad. Or a gang shoots up another gangs favorite club. Or a guy gets drunk and shoots his wife over a dispute.
This is a story about a kid taking 6 guns and shooting up a school because the system failed to provide him and his family with the necessary help. There was no rhyme or reason for what he did. He was out of his mind.
Mental illness resulting in deaths is a public health issue (like drug addiction) and needs to be treated as such.
All that said, I support a FULL gun ban worldwide. But first, the police and the army have to give up their guns. Because that's why America has the second amendment in the first place. So you can defend yourself from the government.
edit: forgot to move a decimal over there
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The lone survivor of one of the two Sandy Hook Elementary School first-grade classrooms where Adam Lanza allegedly shot and killed 20 children tricked the gunman by playing dead, the girl's pastor said.
"She ran out of the school building covered from head to toe with blood and the first thing she said to her mom was, 'Mommy, I'm OK but all my friends are dead,'"
The girl, a 6-year-old whose name is not being released for privacy reasons, was the first student to emerge from the lockdown at Sandy Hook, Solomon said. He said the young girl described the shooter to her mom in a way that only a young child can.
"Well, she saw someone who she felt was angry and someone she felt was very mad," Solomon said. "I think it's impossible outside of divine intervention. She has wisdom beyond her years, for sure."