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Rusty 12-21-2012 10:32 PM

Official gun laws discussion thread
 
There is a ton of anti gun media coverage going around since the latest shooting and with it is alot of misinformation. As someone that has been around firearms the last 15 years or so I think I have a decent amount of knowledge on the subject and would like to help people understand.

If anyone has a question on what will be illegal, legal, and what changes might come from a ban on "assault weapons" would entail I would like to be the one to answer the question.

My main concern is that there is a growing number of people that claim to know what is happening when they are completely clueless. It doesn't matter the question, ask it and I will give my best answer or do the research and get back to you.

Edit Didn't see any anti-gun threads here like every other site and wanted to nip it in the bud:)

UFC_OWNS 12-22-2012 03:51 AM

I don't have a question just a comment on all the dummies in america that want to ban guns, do they not realise that taking away guns only hinders the public and takes away even more rights from citizens, the law changing wouldn't even apply to the kid who did the crime as it wasn't his gun he was rejected by the gun stores and he stole it from his mother.

If anything this just gives people even less of a chance to defend themselves as criminals will always find a way to get weapons and all these incidents share the same detail of no one firing back at the gunman because no one is packing heat. There's a lot more I could say but basically the gun activists are a bunch of dummies who don't know what they are saying and interesting fact mexico banned all guns a while ago and look how well that's working out for them.

JWP 12-22-2012 04:03 AM

Was surprised to see the NRA come out and say that you want a policeman in every school to shoot the bad guys

like this is an ideal situation

for me education at a young age around things like emotions, awareness of self and how good the world is for a young child in the western world (compared to most of the world, or anyone alive before 1900)

compassion, empathy etc etc

they should teach this shit in school and not make it so hard to compete for honours in the adult world. i remember in 3rd grade trying to choose a career based on the money, so wrong

you need to identify the beginnings of a psycho earlier and help them



as for the guns. i dont see them as necessery. but raising less psycho's should be the priority

UFC_OWNS 12-22-2012 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JWP (Post 1660809)
Was surprised to see the NRA come out and say that you want a policeman in every school to shoot the bad guys

like this is an ideal situation

for me education at a young age around things like emotions, awareness of self and how good the world is for a young child in the western world (compared to most of the world, or anyone alive before 1900)

compassion, empathy etc etc

they should teach this shit in school and not make it so hard to compete for honours in the adult world. i remember in 3rd grade trying to choose a career based on the money, so wrong

you need to identify the beginnings of a psycho earlier and help them



as for the guns. i dont see them as necessary. but raising less psycho's should be the priority

that was one of the other points I was going to say that it really should be people control not gun control whether that means raising kids better, making better drugs or simply locking more loons in the nuthouse since they can't be trusted in society. I know plenty of people and fighters and personalities that have guns and they never use it on the public for the simple fact that they are responsible and have a stable mind. Oh and if they blame it also on video game sone more time I think i'm going to smash my laptop over a news anchor's head.

americanfighter 12-22-2012 04:40 AM

Well isn't it odd that all the mass shooting in the US these days have happened in "gun free" zones

My ideal situation that wou have saved many childrens lives in conneticui is this. Have a Gun in every class room in a locked desk with an alarm on it that goes off when the key is entered in the key hole. Teachers are prepared to defend the kids and the alarm notifies the entire school a teacher is trying to acsess the Gun in their room. Computer in security office notifies which room.

Voiceless 12-22-2012 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by UFC_OWNS (Post 1660807)
I don't have a question just a comment on all the dummies in america that want to ban guns, do they not realise that taking away guns only hinders the public and takes away even more rights from citizens, the law changing wouldn't even apply to the kid who did the crime as it wasn't his gun he was rejected by the gun stores and he stole it from his mother.

Maybe you're too young to remember the times before the new gun laws, but in Australia there where similar discussions in the 1990s and in 1996 government decided to make gun laws more strict. And it DID have a considerable effect on the number of mass schootings:

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The New York Times has referred to Australia's gun laws as a "road map" for the US, saying that "in the 18 years before the law, Australia suffered 13 mass shootings - but not one in the 14 years after the law took full effect."
Source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-1...xample/4431262

And guns don't really help to protect against assaults if you're not a constantly trained professional. It's just a fantasy that teachers with guns would have gunned down the attacker or those people in the movie theatre could have stopped that gun attacker. It's really just a movie fantasy that in absolutely the most cases doesn't work that way in real life. More guns around in those assault scenarios just open new threats for innocent bystanders.


UFC_OWNS 12-22-2012 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Voiceless (Post 1660843)
Maybe you're too young to remember the times before the new gun laws, but in Australia there where similar discussions in the 1990s and in 1996 government decided to make gun laws more strict. And it DID have a considerable effect on the number of mass schootings:


Source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-1...xample/4431262

And guns don't really help to protect against assaults if you're not a constantly trained professional. It's just a fantasy that teachers with guns would have gunned down the attacker or those people in the movie theatre could have stopped that gun attacker. It's really just a movie fantasy that in absolutely the most cases doesn't work that way in real life. More guns around in those assault scenarios just open new threats for innocent bystanders.


I've fired guns there's nothing to them you have to be retarded not to know how to use one, and a few lunatics in my country doesn't mean squat for all the rights we now don't have and also being less than a 10th of the usa's population and we also don't have a mexican border always being crossed into our country. And I can guarantee you that no guns is still no good here when theres loads of stabbings which are just as bad if not worse since you don't a licence to get one in fact everyone has them.

americanfighter 12-22-2012 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voiceless (Post 1660843)
Maybe you're too young to remember the times before the new gun laws, but in Australia there where similar discussions in the 1990s and in 1996 government decided to make gun laws more strict. And it DID have a considerable effect on the number of mass schootings:


Source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-1...xample/4431262

And guns don't really help to protect against assaults if you're not a constantly trained professional. It's just a fantasy that teachers with guns would have gunned down the attacker or those people in the movie theatre could have stopped that gun attacker. It's really just a movie fantasy that in absolutely the most cases doesn't work that way in real life. More guns around in those assault scenarios just open new threats for innocent bystanders.


That was a nous study with immature college kids and the people the say are trained students are not trained there just people who have stood infront of a target and shot


I have shot competitively since I was 12 and really I can say yeah it's difficult to be competitively accurate putting bullets in small boxes while moving but no hard to hit a a silluet the shape of a human body from reasonable distance.

locnott 12-22-2012 12:11 PM

To me that exercise should be the training, not the test. Its about training, you can't function well in any situation just by shooting a airsoft gun or playing a video game. If they practice that situation, train people what to do, they will preform good enough to save lives..
If they ran the same drill two more times, the effectiveness of the guy with the gun would improve each time.. thats why you train.
I do think you should probably be required to take some gun safety and training on guns before you are allowed to purchase one, after you pass a background check.
Training on how to keep your guns out of careless hands should be included.
I own lots of guns, I have also been shot. I do not think banning them would solve anything. Sorry Im getting off track, back to training, as with anything it take proper training to be good or effective at almost anything.
I dont think there is any one thing that can be done to prevent the type of thing that happened last week, I think there will need to be quite a few efforts made in several areas..IMO..

HitOrGetHit 12-22-2012 12:16 PM

I edited the title to better reflect the debate at hand. So it is not to be confused with the "Guns" thread we have. :thumbsup:


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