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Old 01-16-2013, 02:25 PM   #51 (permalink)
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The groups of people saying:

1. it's insulting to insinuate such a conspiracy, it's stupid and mean to the victims. Anyone who thinks that it's possible is an idiot

2. the government most definitely has a part in this, it's happened before, it happened at Sandy Hook.

if you belong to either camp you have already made a mistake. No person can reasonably say which one is true, there is no definitive answer. If you ever stop seeking the truth and decide to join one of the sides then you are lost already, your brain has been turned off and you are a parrot regurgitating what you hear. How about instead of jumping to snap conclusions everyone stops talking and starts reading more.
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Old 01-16-2013, 02:34 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Right on point especially the last sentence. People also forget the media is bought and own; hardly independent. When the media pushes an agenda (clear agenda is the discussion on gun control) I pay attention. Not the in the smoke and mirrors of their actual news pieces but rather to figure out whats behind the curtain.
FOX News and MSNBC have completely opposite agendas, yet they both have the same stance on the Sandy Hook story. Explain this discrepancy.
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Old 01-16-2013, 02:57 PM   #54 (permalink)
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You mean the same president who has a known about "kill list." ?

The same president who assassinates people with drones?

The same president who signed into law the indefinite detention of citizens?

The same president who allows the NSA to continue to spy on the citizens and store all of their personal data?

The same president who allowed military grade assault rifles to be sold to drug cartels that kill tons of people?

The same president who has illegal taken military action against other countries that requires his impeachment and removal from office?

Yeah, hes a saint, would never do anything wrong.
I'm as anti-Obama as they come, and I agree with most of the points you mention.

I just can't make the jump intellectually from your list, to him being involved in a plot to murder 20 Americans.

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Old 01-16-2013, 03:04 PM   #55 (permalink)
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FOX News and MSNBC have completely opposite agendas, yet they both have the same stance on the Sandy Hook story. Explain this discrepancy.
They have "opposite agendas" to give the impression that there's real competition and transparency. Thing is, they are both easily coerced - probably have the same connections in the political and corporate arenas.
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:22 PM   #56 (permalink)
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I'm not firmly on the wagon but no govt apologist is going to debunk video and picture evidence I see with my own eyes that something is shady.


The thing with conspiracies is that some of it is spot on and rest is widely off the mark and easily discredited and "debunkers" pick the easiest stuff to defeat and discredit the rest.
This pretty much sums up my opinion on this. Whilst I don't necessarily believe everything on the news and in those reports, it's easy to see how one conspiracy therosists dramatise things and intentionally focus on tiny fragments of stories to back up their theories.

However, I for one can't rationally explain away the amount of inconsistencies with stories and evidence that everything may not be as it seems.

Again, not totally in either camp but the US government is shady as hell...in fact, all governments are.
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FOX News and MSNBC have completely opposite agendas, yet they both have the same stance on the Sandy Hook story. Explain this discrepancy.
How do they have completely different agendas? You mean the whole liberal/conservative angle? You can't really believe there is any real difference between the two parties other than hot button subjects dealing with minor social issues?

The two party system is a joke and is really only used to divide the population into believing the other side is nuts, when in reality both liberals and conservatives have more in common than they have disagreements. It's a con game.

The media is no different. They play to certain demographics for ratings but on issues that push a more neferious agenda they are united. Bascially all broadcast media outlets are controlled and owned by 5 major corporations - Viacom, Aol/Timewarner, Disney, Clear channel, and News Corp



It's fairly easy for the board of directors to give out orders to the CEO's and editors to push an agenda or to edit out things that they deem "problematic". That doesn't mean ALL content is regulated or all agendas are united, but don't believe that any media that is for profit resembles anything close to independent journalism.

I know a lot of that is hard to swallow but if you take the time to research the subject matter, you'll be shocked at what happens behind the scenes.

Again I AM NOT SAYING the Sandy Hook shootings are a conspiracy because I have not researched it enough nor do I know enough to make a confident statement, but NOTHING shocks me when it comes to how far things will go for profit and power especially concerning the media and the government.
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In all fairness, whether you think it's horse shit or not, that video was interesting.


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