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Old 01-16-2013, 05:53 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:33 PM   #62 (permalink)
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How do they have completely different agendas? You mean the whole liberal/conservative angle? You can't really believe there is any real difference between the two parties other than hot button subjects dealing with minor social issues?
Are you kidding? There is definitely a significant difference between the two parties. Let's take the relevant issue of gun control: Democrats are for it, Republicans are against it. Now, if Sandy Hook was an Obama conspiracy to take away our guns then dont you think FOX News which is Republican and anti-Obama would report these "facts"? Why wouldn't they?

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The two party system is a joke and is really only used to divide the population into believing the other side is nuts, when in reality both liberals and conservatives have more in common than they have disagreements. It's a con game.
Name some of these things that liberals and conservatives have in common. It's really annoying when paranoid conspiracy pushers are vague, just be specific if you have facts.

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The media is no different. They play to certain demographics for ratings but on issues that push a more neferious agenda they are united. Bascially all broadcast media outlets are controlled and owned by 5 major corporations - Viacom, Aol/Timewarner, Disney, Clear channel, and News Corp
Yes the media is controlled by a few companies but those companies have different agendas. Why would an anti-gun control FOX network be united in the agenda to take away guns?

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It's fairly easy for the board of directors to give out orders to the CEO's and editors to push an agenda or to edit out things that they deem "problematic". That doesn't mean ALL content is regulated or all agendas are united, but don't believe that any media that is for profit resembles anything close to independent journalism.
Again, the media has their own agendas but the agendas are not the same. Unless you believe in some nutjob Illuminati shadow government with no factual basis in reality.
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Old 01-16-2013, 09:03 PM   #63 (permalink)
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^^ You have to realize that the people making money at Fox News don't really give a shit about gun control, or gay marriage, or abortion, or whatever else we like to pretend is important. They just realize that if they take an anti-gun control stance they serve a niche in the national news market and they can maximize the amount of viewers they get, which in turn makes them more money, which is all they care about.

For the same reason the History channel doesn't air anything on history and MTV has almost nothing to do with music anymore, news channels don't really report news anymore. They are all channels that started with an idea, and they slowly changed to more accurately match what their viewers like to maximize viewership until they turn into some sort of strange perpetual advertisement selling themselves to a seemingly oblivious audience.

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Old 01-16-2013, 09:39 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Not in a tragedy. In a normal death or funeral yes there is a time you want to move on, but have you ever been around someone who has lost their child? They are INCONSOLABLE. For days. Even in regular funerals when people try to move on and laugh, they are still suppressing tears, their eyes are still wet and they can barely force it. THIS GUY NEVER EVEN HAD A GLISTENING IN HIS EYE.
This is the kind of thing that cracks me up. THERE IS NO ONE REACTION TO HOW A PERSON HANDLES GRIEF. This is something I've learned from personal experience, and something I've seen first hand in law enforcement. I've told parents their kids were dead. I've seen reactions of parents, grandparents, and siblings. Everyone deals with their grief in their own way.

The mere fact that this guy is supposedly an actor for the CIA or something of that sort simply because he laughed, and then began crying THE SECOND HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT HIS DEAD CHILD is beyond stupid.

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I don't want to be insensitive, I prayed for these poor kids and their families (and I know to many people on here prayer is yet another delusion or joke, but to me it's means something) when I first heard of this. I don't want to believe this either, but just look with your eyes.


He says it because it's IN THE CLIP. You can see the guy asking "Are we ready to start? K." and suddenly turn serious. You can read his lips/expressions and even hear it slightly. Watch again.
Re-read what I posted. He asked if they were ready to start the conference, not if they were filming. How the hell does the guy who made the video know if he realizes they are filming or not? Did it occur to anyone that perhaps he knew they were filming all along? Also, the guy who made the video calls his laughing "getting into character". Yet there is no one way to get into character. A lot of actors get into the mood of the character they are going to play long before they actually start. This guy did the opposite of that.

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I'm sorry about your father, I've lost close family as well and i can understand the need to move on or be normal. But losing a child is different IMHO.
I appreciate it, but I'm not looking for consolation. This was a while ago now. I'm merely using it as an example. I bring it up because one of my friends later asked me how I could be laughing and joking with my dead fathers body literally right behind me.

My brother was the exact opposite. He was inconsolable, as was my mother. EVERYONE DEALS WITH GRIEF IN THEIR OWN WAY. There is no certain one way you must handle a bad situation. To say these guys are actors because they dealt with their tragedy in a way YOU don't approve of is incredibly insensitive and disrespectful towards their family and deceased loved ones.


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Tell you what, since you claim different people react differently to such a horrible tragedy, at least give me ONE person that ACTUALLY CRIES. Just one with an actual tear. A parent, a witness, an examiner. ANYONE OUT OF THE DOZENS ON TV. Wouldn't you say that crying or being sad is a far more normal reaction than the "moments of happiness" you are talking about? Go ahead, give me one video, there are plenty of them on youtube.
So what are you trying to say? No one actually died? All parents, family, and siblings of all supposed dead kids are now actors?

So, now the local law enforcement who responded to this scene are in on it too right? The other teachers in the school who lost their friends? The school administrators? In the sheer amount of people it would take to pull off such a horrific conspiracy, wouldn't just one or two of those people come forward with guilt? I'm thinking yes. There is no theory.

I am not going to search dozens of videos on youtube. I just won't spend the insane amount of time over such an obvious bullshit theory. I used to go back and forth for hours with 9/11 theories. One thing I found is that even after proving them wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt, they still denied. Nothing can get through to these people.

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And can you explain why these parents are launching charities for money a day after such a tragedy? What do they need money for?
Sure. They probably wanted help with funeral costs, obviously. I've seen families at each others throats over a deceased loved ones money an hour after it happens. The fact is, not everyone is going to live out this picture perfect idea of what "grieving" means... especially to conspiracy theorist (who will deny anything and everything). Maybe they were trying to get their minds off of it. I don't really know. At the end of the day, it was their kids who died. I'm not going to question their actions and bring more pain into their lives than is already there.

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Lastly, did you see that examiner? Cmon bro!
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Old 01-16-2013, 09:42 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Wow I'm surprised there are so many gullible people on this forum.

Didn't even know this was a conspiracy theory until this post but glad someone else took the time to debunk it:

http://thatsnonsense.com/blog/sandy-...-not-debunked/

Was the original video interesting? I didn't watch it entirely, only about the 1st 5 minutes then skimmed trough the rest for another 5 minutes and no, it wasn't interesting. What is interesting to me are the responses/supporters.
Holy win. How did I miss this?

Done and done. What do you know? This guy has many of the same points I did. There is no conspiracy.

This is the new 9/11. Another sad day where people make a horrific tragedy worse.

One more time: http://thatsnonsense.com/blog/sandy-...-not-debunked/
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:44 AM   #66 (permalink)
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Holy win. How did I miss this?

Done and done. What do you know? This guy has many of the same points I did. There is no conspiracy.

This is the new 9/11. Another sad day where people make a horrific tragedy worse.

One more time: http://thatsnonsense.com/blog/sandy-...-not-debunked/
I'm curious on your opinion about one thing involving 9/11. The Pentagon was hit by a plane they said, but not one shred of plane remnants. I figured missle, what are your thoughts to the Pentagon part of 9/11?
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:52 AM   #67 (permalink)
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I'm curious on your opinion about one thing involving 9/11. The Pentagon was hit by a plane they said, but not one shred of plane remnants. I figured missle, what are your thoughts to the Pentagon part of 9/11?
I really don't want to open up a can of worms more than what has already been open. But I'll bite...

There were a lot of witnesses who saw the plane, and there was debris located.

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Old 01-17-2013, 02:22 AM   #68 (permalink)
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Hmmm well forget I said anything...lol
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:24 AM   #69 (permalink)
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Your arrogance has stopped you from thinking objectively. You know everything and dismiss anyone else's idea as dumb, this is truly the viewpoint of the naive and blind. How can you possible expect people to respect you with such a ridiculously arrogant way of talking.
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