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Old 01-17-2013, 06:41 AM   #81 (permalink)
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I really don't want to open up a can of worms more than what has already been open. But I'll bite...

There were a lot of witnesses who saw the plane, and there was debris located.
Are you not even slightly suspicious? I mean, how many cctv cameras do you think there are located around the pentagon? I would guess probably more then any other single building on the planet, right? So, where is the footage? There is a single collection of about 5 frames or so. Awful quality. What about the other 2000 cameras located locally? They could put this whole thing to bed by showing us proper footage, but they haven't. What possible reason could they have for hiding any footage of the event?

Conspiracy or not, the government are not doing what they should to clarify anything. This is always going to create mistrust. It also creates a huge gaping hole that gets filled with mis-information. It's this bombardment of different theories which is fundamental to hiding the truth in plain sight.


In the UK, everything is geared towards deflecting attention away from the Royal family. Governments are in place to make policy and therefore they get blamed for wrong doing. The whole country has this general attitude that the Queen and her mob are harmless. Sweet little old lady. Its not her fault the country is a mess... but its a load of fecking bollocks. The army has the "HM" prefix for a reason. The bitch owns 6,600,000,000 acres of the whole planet. Thats over 12 times more then the next twat.

The democratically elected governments simply exist to bite the bullet for the real policy makers. That's the beauty of democracy. If one party fecks everything up then the people get to vote them out and replace them for another party. Makes the peopple feel empowered and less likely to riot. But what's really happening is the real power brokers simply get away with their shit with no accountability.

So, for example, say the pentagon plane crash was proven to be a set up? Who will take the blame? Whoever was elected at the time is who. It will never filter down to the real c*unts... like the queen of fecking England and her inbred mob of cold hearted wankers.
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Are you not even slightly suspicious? I mean, how many cctv cameras do you think there are located around the pentagon? I would guess probably more then any other single building on the planet, right? So, where is the footage? There is a single collection of about 5 frames or so. Awful quality. What about the other 2000 cameras located locally? They could put this whole thing to bed by showing us proper footage, but they haven't. What possible reason could they have for hiding any footage of the event?
When I was about 14 and these theories first came out, I was a bit skeptical. The more I thought about it and actually researched this thing on my own, the more I realized none of the theories made any sense at all. I found the deception to be coming from the 9/11 deniers 99% of the time. I found photo shopped pictures and straight lies they created themselves to try and help prove their case. Yet 9/11 deniers simply look past their own lies and point fingers at the government, calling THEM the liars. It's hilariously ironic from a person with a true open mind.

It's easy to show some grainy photos with some spooky music and tell someone to "interpret" things for themselves. Like this:



Is it a little odd there is no clear footage of the plane? Sure. I've seen odder things happen.

What I refuse to believe is that air traffic controllers were "in on it" too. They just let their fellow co-workers and friends go onto die somewhere and faked the records of a freakin plane flying into the pentagon. Also, why a missile? Why not just crash the damn plane into the pentagon in the first place? Then what happened after the missile? They had crews on standby with thousands of pounds of airline parts as well as charred bodies they snuck into the fire real quick before anyone got there? Come on people. Use your heads.
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:20 AM   #85 (permalink)
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When I was about 14 and these theories first came out, I was a bit skeptical. The more I thought about it and actually researched this thing on my own, the more I realized none of the theories made any sense at all. I found the deception to be coming from the 9/11 deniers 99% of the time. I found photo shopped pictures and straight lies they created themselves to try and help prove their case. Yet 9/11 deniers simply look past their own lies and point fingers at the government, calling THEM the liars. It's hilariously ironic from a person with a true open mind.

It's easy to show some grainy photos with some spooky music and tell someone to "interpret" things for themselves. Like this:



Is it a little odd there is no clear footage of the plane? Sure. I've seen odder things happen.

What I refuse to believe is that air traffic controllers were "in on it" too. They just let their fellow co-workers and friends go onto die somewhere and faked the records of a freakin plane flying into the pentagon. Also, why a missile? Why not just crash the damn plane into the pentagon in the first place? Then what happened after the missile? They had crews on standby with thousands of pounds of airline parts as well as charred bodies they snuck into the fire real quick before anyone got there? Come on people. Use your heads.

Im not trying to claim any facts. I dont know about air traffic controllers or missiles or bodies. I've also accepted that there is a lot of misinformation.

But simply put, to suggest there is no footage of a large plane hitting the military hub of the most powerful nation on earth is not just "odd"... its a massive stretch. The footage exists, of that I have no doubt. Why will they not show it to us and put and end to this nonsense?
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Conspiracy or not - God damn the White House's new web design (HTML5) is gorgeus - they just introduced it with the whole gun-control thing.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/pre...g-gun-violence

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Conspiracy or not - God damn the White House's new web design (HTML5) is gorgeus - they just introduced it with the whole gun-control thing.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/pre...g-gun-violence

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That site is one giant bug for me.

Stuff overlapping, transparant panels that shouldn't be transparent...

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When I was about 14 and these theories first came out, I was a bit skeptical. The more I thought about it and actually researched this thing on my own, the more I realized none of the theories made any sense at all. I found the deception to be coming from the 9/11 deniers 99% of the time. I found photo shopped pictures and straight lies they created themselves to try and help prove their case. Yet 9/11 deniers simply look past their own lies and point fingers at the government, calling THEM the liars. It's hilariously ironic from a person with a true open mind.

It's easy to show some grainy photos with some spooky music and tell someone to "interpret" things for themselves. Like this:



Is it a little odd there is no clear footage of the plane? Sure. I've seen odder things happen.

What I refuse to believe is that air traffic controllers were "in on it" too. They just let their fellow co-workers and friends go onto die somewhere and faked the records of a freakin plane flying into the pentagon. Also, why a missile? Why not just crash the damn plane into the pentagon in the first place? Then what happened after the missile? They had crews on standby with thousands of pounds of airline parts as well as charred bodies they snuck into the fire real quick before anyone got there? Come on people. Use your heads.
If the govt. is actually doing these things, you don't think they can pay some guys to pose as "truthers", spread ridiculous bs and discredit the entire movement?

It's quite a common propaganda tool you know. Commies did it, trolls pose as christian in forums and comment threads all the time apparently its all the rage and a laugh to them, warring parties do it etc etc.

You take some of the ridiculous bs as representing all of them in one big stereotype, and that's all it takes to wipe out all the legit questions and inconsistencies from your mind? Like what soojoo raised?
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But simply put, to suggest there is no footage of a large plane hitting the military hub of the most powerful nation on earth is not just "odd"... its a massive stretch. The footage exists, of that I have no doubt. Why will they not show it to us and put and end to this nonsense?
I will admit it is odd. It is not a massive stretch. The government in itself doesn't give a shit about these theories because they understand how ridiculous they are. They don't want to give it the time of day, because even the clearest video in the world will not stop the 9/11 deniers. They'll just claim there's irrefutable proof that the video was CG, green screen, or doctored. That is how these people think. The last 12 years has been crystal clear proof of that.

But okay, I'll bite. First prove the video exists. This was 2001. Camera's were not nearly as prevalent in 2001 as they are now. I was a sophomore in high school, and carried a pager at that time. Most security camera's were like the pentagons which captures frames at a time only upon movement in order to save on file space. The pentagon already released the video of the exact spot the plane hit. Of course that wasn't good enough though.

What is "odd" is to send a missile into one building if you already sent two actual planes into other buildings. What is the purpose behind that? What's reasoning? What about the tons of witnesses who saw the plane fly straight over the freeway before hitting the pentagon?

What is "odd" are the people still attempting to discredit this stuff.

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If the govt. is actually doing these things, you don't think they can pay some guys to pose as "truthers", spread ridiculous bs and discredit the entire movement?
And this is why I stopped arguing with 9/11 deniers years ago. You catch them in a lie or spreading false info, and then they claim the government planted that false info to make them look bad. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is? You cannot argue logic with someone who is so paranoid that anytime they are proven wrong, it wasn't that they were wrong, it was a plant by the government to make them look bad.

I think it's hilarious these same people actually accuse the government of committing massive amount of lies and deceptions without proof, but then ignore it when people with their own shared beliefs commit lies and deceptions. I guess it's just government agents posing so it doesn't count

Several small inconsistencies on the official story, and it's proof of a cover up. Massive obvious inconsistencies on the 9/11 deniers parts, and just pretend like it never happened. Great logic...

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You take some of the ridiculous bs as representing all of them in one big stereotype, and that's all it takes to wipe out all the legit questions and inconsistencies from your mind? Like what soojoo raised?

Yes. Because 9/11 deniers do nothing but point out small coincidences or odd looking things and consider it proof of some massive conspiracy which resulted in the deaths of 3000 innocent people. In the big picture, this conspiracy makes no sense and doesn't have a shred of evidence to back it.

Why argue about no video of a plane when all the evidence and witnesses prove there was actually a plane? Then you think about what using a missile would have accomplished or why they would have done that instead of just using another plane. A missile make no sense. So how about you justify why a missile was better, how all those plane parts and charred bodies got there, how all those people were mistaken when they saw the plane, and then discuss how the lack of video evidence supports the use of a missile. It would make a MUCH stronger case rather than just "There's no video." That is such a narrow minded view it's not worth discussing in itself. I don't understand how you can't grasp that.
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