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wow, in response to your blatant ignorance, i'll call your information as coming from fundamentalist, theocratic conservatives...

seems like you're just as biased as you say I, and others am...

no need to be a jerk.
What ignorance? Everything I posted is the truth. A person can't be biased if they are telling the truth. The "America is in Iraq because of oil" has been played out and proven false so many times...only an ignorant person would still spew this rhetoric BS.
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What ignorance? Everything I posted is the truth. A person can't be biased if they are telling the truth. The "America is in Iraq because of oil" has been played out and proven false so many times...only an ignorant person would still spew this rhetoric BS.
Re: my chosen highlighted section. Now you can call THAT BS… Of course you can maintain a bias, especially as you can’t have a simple definition for ‘truth’. Truth like Saddam Hussein harboured Weapons of Mass Destruction? Nope. That turned out a load of biased Weapons of Gas Eruption!
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What ignorance? Everything I posted is the truth. A person can't be biased if they are telling the truth. The "America is in Iraq because of oil" has been played out and proven false so many times...only an ignorant person would still spew this rhetoric BS.
to proclaim yourself as the most truthful is very akin to self-rightous, self-authoritative, Bush-style thinking. many people think God exists because they "know so", but that doesn't make him real. unless you present contrasting points to mine, in the form of proof, it's all just oppinion.


"you can't be biased if you're telling the truth". definetly one of the most ignorant statements i've ever heard.

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crashcrew: philosophers have debated the nature of ‘truth’ for centuries now and come to no agreed definition or method of establishing it, what makes doing so any easier now?
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crashcrew: philosophers have debated the nature of ‘truth’ for centuries now and come to no agreed definition or method of establishing it, what makes doing so any easier now?

Fire is hot...ice is cold...TRUTH...see how easy that was socrates?
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to proclaim yourself as the most truthful is very akin to self-rightous, self-authoritative, Bush-style thinking. many people think God exists because they "know so", but that doesn't make him real. unless you present contrasting points to mine, in the form of proof, it's all just oppinion.


"you can't be biased if you're telling the truth". definetly one of the most ignorant statements i've ever heard.
If you knew how to comprehend..you would realize that what I meant was...If you are telling the TRUTH about a subject..that is not being "biased"..it is being correct. The poster I replied to said I was biased. When in fact I was only telling truths. Understand?
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Your references to ice & fire come as ‘FACTS’, not ‘truths’. For a little hint at the depths of complexity you’ve attempted to gloss over please go here!
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Fire is hot...ice is cold...TRUTH...see how easy that was socrates?
you are obviuosly not very well read. when people do what you just did there, it proves they have no recourse to intellegent discourse. obviously things such as that are "true"; he was talking about matters of opinion, perspective and metaphysics. although, "hot & cold" are relative terms. if you ask someone in Japan if something is cold, they'd say; "no, it's *insert japanese word for cold*".

just because you see something clearly from your perspective, doesn't make it true. kids forced into religion from birth have no chance to see things our of that imposed perspective, therefore whatever they think is already skewed by that dogma. But that doesn't make the earth 6,000 years old. Evolution still happens if nobody knew about it, but religion ceases to exist if everyone stops believing in it...

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Your references to ice & fire come as ‘FACTS’, not ‘truths’. For a little hint at the depths of complexity you’ve attempted to gloss over please go here!
or i could have stated it as simply as you... lol

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you are obviuosly not very well read. when people do what you just did there, it proves they have no recourse to intellegent discourse. obviously things such as that are "true"; he was talking about matters of opinion, perspective and metaphysics. although, "hot & cold" are relative terms. if you ask someone in Japan if something is cold, they'd say; "no, it's *insert japanese word for cold*".

just because you see something clearly from your perspective, doesn't make it true. kids forced into religion from birth have no chance to see things our of that imposed perspective, therefore whatever they think is already skewed by that dogma. But that doesn't make the earth 6,000 years old. Evolution still happens if nobody knew about it, but religion ceases to exist if everyone stops believing in it...

just an example.

Hey stupid...What I wrote was not a matter of opinion. The US not using one drop of Iraqi oil since the start of this war is the TRUTH..or a FACT...and again, if you went to Japan, idiot, they would still tell you that fire is hot and ice is cold. You're trying to sound all deep and sh!t..when in fact, or in all truthfullness, you're sounding like a retard with no common sense.

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