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Old 04-17-2007, 05:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Thumbs down The scourge of Christian Nationalism

I just finished reading Michelle Goldberg's Kingdom Coming, and was blown away at just how little I actually knew about this horrific, anti-constitutional, anti-American, Theo-totalitarianistic movement. Christian Nationalism is a scourge so virulent it can only be accurately understood by reading such well thought out, unbiased, important books as Michelle Goldberg's.

I urge everyone to read up on the subject, and especially to read Kingdom Coming. One part that particularly struck me was a quote from her ending thoughts. It was actually a quote she took from Salman Rushdie, but along with the entire book, it is quite powerful in or out of context. The quote starts by explaining all the things terrorists and anti-Western/American supporters hate us for:

"The fundamentalist seeks to bring down a great deal more than buildings. Such people are against, to offer just a brief list, freedom of speech, a multiparty political system, universal adult suffrage, accountable government, Jews, homosexuals, women's rights, pluralism, secularism, short skirts, dancing, beardlessness, evolution theory, and sex."

Michelle Goldberg provides the tag line; "Christian nationalists have no problem with beardlessness, but except for that, Rushdie could have been describing them."

Over 100 top-level government officials are graduates from Pat Robertson's "Law School". Over Bush's tenure as Chief Theocrat of America, he has single handedly done more to break down the line between Church and State than any single person or group in history. You'd be surprised how much taxpayer money goes to Evangelical Churches, causes and supporters. Beside that, the only thing worse is the employment discrimination of homosexuals and non-Christians in these publicly funded organizations, and the government as a whole.

Keep in mind, as against Religion as I am, you can believe whatever you want. But when a movement such as this actively attempts to destroy America's very foundations and creat in it's place a Christian Nation--proclaimed many times by the likes of Bush, Cheney and dozens of other government officials--I see no choice but to speak up as loud as possible as a free thinker and ardent secularist!
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Old 04-17-2007, 05:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Seriously, mate, you didnít know that? Wow. At any rate, fundamentalism of any sort = bad bad bad.

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Old 04-17-2007, 06:01 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Seriously, mate, you didnít know that? Wow. At any rate, fundamentalism of any sort = bad bad bad.

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no no no, i knew what was going on... trust me... but after reading her book, i really began to see the depth and engrained reality of the whole situation. most people are aware of it, but have no idea how inflitraded our government has actually become. when millions if not billions of taxpayer money goes directly to faith-based--evangelical--programs and directly to Megachurches, whos pastors have regular meetings with Bush as to what to tell their "flock" to think...

read the book...
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Yeah I think I will, after reading your description of it! It sounds like a very thorough critique of the current state of play in regards to Christian Fundamentalism. In modern times it seems like all the rage to jump on the Islamic Fundamentalism bandwagon when in fact the rational and clear–thinking minority should clump together to show how Fundamentalism in all its forms poses a devastating and detrimental threat to humanity!
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Yeah I think I will, after reading your description of it!
i highly reccomend it!!!
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lets further clarify by saying it's regligious fundamentalism and extremism that lead to prejudice and violence.
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lets further clarify by saying it's regligious fundamentalism and extremism that lead to prejudice and violence.
yessir! Both Islam and Christianity are guilty of this inevitible crime, only Christianity has been doing it longer and more "covertly".
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i was actually worried how this would affect just some person on the fence who stopped by to see this thread then did some research about the author but its just an athiest thing so i really am not worried about it just putting this here incase someone does... totally bias author

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just dont want people to not be mislead and think that wat u are reffering to is christanity becoz its not... sry for double post
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i was actually worried how this would affect just some person on the fence who stopped by to see this thread then did some research about the author but its just an athiest thing so i really am not worried about it just putting this here incase someone does... totally bias author

and most points are just myths
well, i'm sorry you feel that way. but facts aren't myths. you can look up all the data, and you can find a lot more people than just one person talking about this. This isn't just an atheist *****ing, whether you were refering to me as author of this thread or Michelle Goldberg of Kingdom Coming. I know it's difficult for many believers to understand, but there are huge movements from people within your faith who truly are attempting to destroy Secular America and replace it with a completely Christian Nation.

the fact is that there are millions of kids being homeschooled by these people, who are actually teaching them that he earth is 6,000 years old, condoms don't work, and that the founding fathers intended to have a christian nation but "leftists" from the start ruined everything.

I'm sorry you feel the way you do, especially since you haven't read the book, you don't know how non-anti-Christianity the book was. She never once attacks Christianity, or any religion; instead, she only focuses on the very real movement by the Evangelical comunity to overthrow the government. you can't make up quotes that are true, and when the author of the book provides dozens of websties where you can find these people making such claims, your claim of "myth" doesn't hold up.

This is a very real, very dangerous situation that nobody is talking about because everyone is affraid of "offending" Christians. Christians--the Evangelicals referenced in the book--are hardly concerned with offending anyone. Double standards lead to complacency and the exact situation we face right now!


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"just dont want people to not be mislead and think that wat u are reffering to is christanity becoz its not"

you are correct, and that's why i always quantify what i say. This isn't a Christian movement, it's a movement by the Evangelical community, in league with greedy "conservative" politicians to remake this country in the image of Biblical law. To me, all religion is dangerous, but it is true that not all of any group of people speak for the rest, but in this case, there is just no way to sepparate the religion from the politics because they are one and the same. This is a problem of Christian fundamentalism and fanaticism attempting to, and in may cases, succeeding, in taking over America!
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