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Wonder if there's any chance that someone like Fox (a hypothetical person, we'll say), could stop taking HRT during their camp, and essentially cycle it like steroids..

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Ask a woman if they'd rather fight on or off their period. Ask them if they'd rather have a camp without their period or with their period. I think we both know the answer to those questions.
That's a valid point for part of the population I'm sure, keep in mind though that periods affect different women in different ways. It's definitely not a factor that can be overlooked though.

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Wonder if there's any chance that someone like Fox (a hypothetical person, we'll say), could stop taking HRT during their camp, and essentially cycle it like steroids..
There really wouldn't be, as they would be testing for female levels of testosterone, so it would surely show up.

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Mitrione hit the nail on the head with what he said. I'm all for innovation, but there's nothing innovative about being a man, getting doctors to turn you into a women through their bs, and then trying to fight women in order to make money and become popular. Talk about overstepping your boundaries, if this isn't an example of crossing the line, I don't know what is; I don't see how you could look at this in a positive light. If transgender individuals are now pushing for the same rights as others and to avoid social discrimination and intolerance please have some common sense first; I know Obama promised change, but I don't think he was talking about sexual changes.
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Mitrione hit the nail on the head with what he said. I'm all for innovation, but there's nothing innovative about being a man, getting doctors to turn you into a women through their bs, and then trying to fight women in order to make money and become popular. Talk about overstepping your boundaries, if this isn't an example of crossing the line, I don't know what is; I don't see how you could look at this in a positive light. If transgender individuals are now pushing for the same rights as others and to avoid social discrimination and intolerance please have some common sense first; I know Obama promised change, but I don't think he was talking about sexual changes.
That's a strong stance, ptw, and I respect your opinion but parts of your statement are clearly misguided.

First off, it's not bs, it's a proven scientific method that brings all aspects of the body within acceptable chemical levels for a female. Most transgender/transsexual people transition because they want to look the same as they feel, with many resenting the bodies they were born into. Perhaps Fallon, as an example, has always loved MMA and wanted to wait until she was her authentic self because male MMA is a strong reminder of your sex. I don't quite know why you would bring Obama into this discussion, but since we are not him, it hardly seems fair to speculate on his intentions.

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I wonder if they got rid of Fletcher because his name was "FREAKshow"?

They don't seem to tolerate the word freak.
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I wonder if they got rid of Fletcher because his name was "FREAKshow"?

They don't seem to tolerate the word freak.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't solely the word 'freak' that sunk Mitrione, it was probably also 'sociopathic, disgusting' and pretty much every other adjective he used.

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I'm pretty sure it wasn't solely the word 'freak' that sunk Mitrione, it was probably also 'sociopathic, disgusting' and pretty much every other adjective he used.
And comparing her to Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs...

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Since the Mitrione thread closed, I'll post this here. Ben Fowlkes on the Mitrione suspension, sorry if it's off topic:

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By all means, let's talk about the U.S. Constitution. More specifically, let's talk about the First Amendment to the Constitution, which states that, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Funny, I didn't see anything in there that guarantees your right to say whatever you want and still be immune to discipline from the private company that employs you. Maybe that's because such a right does not exist, except in the minds of people on the Internet who think "freedom of speech" means freedom from any and all consequences of speech. That's not the way it works. Just because the government promises not to arrest you for something, that does not mean that cause and effect ceases to exist, even in an "open forum," which in this case is an Internet talk show. Far as I know, the U.S. government has yet to adopt a position on "The Mitrione Minute." The UFC has, though, and that position appears to be con.

Mitrione was subject to the UFC's code of conduct, which Yahoo! Sports' Kevin Iole obtained a copy of, and which pretty clearly states that "discipline may be imposed for misconduct." It then goes on to list "insulting language" about a person's "gender and sexual orientation" among the examples of misconduct. Calling a transgender fighter a "disgusting freak" seems to fit right in line with the stuff Mitrione had been explicitly warned not to do.

Should he have been suspended for it? Yeah, I think so. I don't think anyone's calling for him to be run out of the sport because of this, but a punishment of some sort was warranted. The UFC had to do something to send the message that it was not OK with that kind of vile, unprompted personal attack. And please, to the people out there who think this is somehow the result of the media baiting fighters into saying offensive things for the sake of cheap clicks, go back and watch the video. It was Mitrione's idea to talk about Fox. Ariel Helwani even tried to rein him in by pointing out that he was getting a little carried away with the hate. Mitrione, undaunted, pressed on. If the UFC had done nothing, that's tantamount to telling fighters and fans that it has no problem with that kind of verbal tirade. Instead Mitrione got suspended, the other fighters got a message they couldn't ignore, and the First Amendment stayed out of the whole mess. Seems about right to me.
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Exactly what we've been saying for a while. I hate having to explain the first amendment to people who think it guarantees your right to say anything without your friends, family, boss, or just anyone who saw your PUBLIC MEDIA INTERVIEW reacting.

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I'm pretty sure it wasn't solely the word 'freak' that sunk Mitrione, it was probably also 'sociopathic, disgusting' and pretty much every other adjective he used.
I think we can all agree that Fletcher should file an appeal for this anyway. At least have this investigated a bit.
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