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Old 04-11-2013, 10:18 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Assuming he has spent all of the necessary time doing the transition, and got the clearance from the governing body of the WNBA, yes.

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Oh how long does it take for the transition to be completed and when do you know that you're a women 100% is there like a gauge system at the doctors.And what does it matter what kind of body type you have in the WNBA Lisa Leslie has a unique body type.
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:23 PM   #82 (permalink)
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Oh how long does it take for the transition to be completed and when do you know that you're a women 100% is there like a gauge system at the doctors.And what does it matter what kind of body type you have in the WNBA Lisa Leslie has a unique body type.
The Olympics, and Boxing organizations say 5 years after SRS is complete. I think you misunderstood my governing body comment as I was referring to whatever commission governs them and was in no way referring to anyone's body type.

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Old 04-12-2013, 12:22 AM   #83 (permalink)
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Cowgirl is a hell of a sport, the comments on this thread arent civil at all, transgender ppl have had decades of study on them and its not as simple as most of you seem to think, its very rude and cruel to keep saying transgender ppl are simply men who cut their dick off

And to even think someone would do this to have a slight advantage in MMA is probably the stupidest most ignorant thing ive ever read on this forum, for the record im a heterosexual man, a happy one i might add, but its obvious members in this forum have no clue what they're talking about and their opinion are mostly formed buy moral guidelines and basic understanding of biology, very basic...this isnt enough to form an educated opinion on this subject

This isnt a personal attack on anyone, everyone, including me is ignorant on many different subjects, im just pointing out that many of you are way off base and what you are saying is pretty ridiculous, just giving you a heads up...when you dont really understand about a subject the best thing to do is to simply be quiet IMO

This doesnt mean any of you are bad ppl, or stupid, lets just close this thread and talk about MMA, this forum has the best posters of any other MMA forum, i enjoy it here and i enjoy reading most members opinion in mma, i hate always being the douch in these fallon fox threads but these comments really are bothering me, and its difficult for these types of things to bother me, i have never onced felt this way about any stand up comedy act, wich usually make fun of very touchy subjects, but hey its just a joke, thats the difference, these arent jokes (though there were some good ones lol) these comments are very hateful and im 100% sure you guys dont hate transgender ppl, even if you might not agree with them, but since manu of you dont seem to understand much about the subject you dont understand the gravity of your comments

I'll just leave at that and i hope we can end these threads its an interesting subject but theres no point in debating it here on MMAF
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:29 AM   #84 (permalink)
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Cowgirl is a hell of a sport, the comments on this thread arent civil at all, transgender ppl have had decades of study on them and its not as simple as most of you seem to think, its very rude and cruel to keep saying transgender ppl are simply men who cut their dick off

And to even think someone would do this to have a slight advantage in MMA is probably the stupidest most ignorant thing ive ever read on this forum, for the record im a heterosexual man, a happy one i might add, but its obvious members in this forum have no clue what they're talking about and their opinion are mostly formed buy moral guidelines and basic understanding of biology, very basic...this isnt enough to form an educated opinion on this subject

This isnt a personal attack on anyone, everyone, including me is ignorant on many different subjects, im just pointing out that many of you are way off base and what you are saying is pretty ridiculous, just giving you a heads up...when you dont really understand about a subject the best thing to do is to simply be quiet IMO

This doesnt mean any of you are bad ppl, or stupid, lets just close this thread and talk about MMA, this forum has the best posters of any other MMA forum, i enjoy it here and i enjoy reading most members opinion in mma, i hate always being the douch in these fallon fox threads but these comments really are bothering me, and its difficult for these types of things to bother me, i have never onced felt this way about any stand up comedy act, wich usually make fun of very touchy subjects, but hey its just a joke, thats the difference, these arent jokes (though there were some good ones lol) these comments are very hateful and im 100% sure you guys dont hate transgender ppl, even if you might not agree with them, but since manu of you dont seem to understand much about the subject you dont understand the gravity of your comments

I'll just leave at that and i hope we can end these threads its an interesting subject but theres no point in debating it here on MMAF
Thanks for the compliment Part of me really wants to agree with you here, as some of these comments are hurtful and not conducive to a healthy dialogue. However I have managed to make at least one poster reconsider their emotional stance on the issue, and that makes it worth all the hurt the way I see it. This thread has certainly stayed civil longer than the others for the most part. Perhaps moving it to the lounge or somewhere that isn't UFC discussion would be better than eliminating the discussion about it all together. Just my thoughts of course
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And to even think someone would do this to have a slight advantage in MMA is probably the stupidest most ignorant thing ive ever read on this forum,
I agree with everything else you've said and on the scientific end of things I must defer to Cowgirl as her knowledge of it is somewhat ...shall we say ...more intimate than mine. But this one thing unfortunately I do know. There have been multiple cases of athletes (no particularly good ones which is part of the issue) who have undergone sex changes to compete in the perceived weaker female category. Off the top of my head a tennis player did this in the 70's and a british boxer did this earlier this decade. It is not an unknown - though exceptionally rare - phenomenon.

It comes out of an intense desire to win but with massive insecurities and - entertainingly enough to me - correlations between success and manhood. Thank too many years of being a combat sports fan and a student of psychology. None of really had more than transitory success. They destroy on the lesser levels but they eventually hit the same kind of skill plateau as they originally did.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:52 AM   #86 (permalink)
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I agree with everything else you've said and on the scientific end of things I must defer to Cowgirl as her knowledge of it is somewhat ...shall we say ...more intimate than mine. But this one thing unfortunately I do know. There have been multiple cases of athletes (no particularly good ones which is part of the issue) who have undergone sex changes to compete in the perceived weaker female category. Off the top of my head a tennis player did this in the 70's and a british boxer did this earlier this decade. It is not an unknown - though exceptionally rare - phenomenon.

It comes out of an intense desire to win but with massive insecurities and - entertainingly enough to me - correlations between success and manhood. Thank too many years of being a combat sports fan and a student of psychology. None of really had more than transitory success. They destroy on the lesser levels but they eventually hit the same kind of skill plateau as they originally did.
Everyone should read up on Renee Richards, she bombed in the US Open when she played singles, she was eliminated in straight sets by her naturally female opponent. Also, by her own admission she hates the notoriety she gained from it all, and didn't transition solely to win at women's events. The boxer you mention, I am not familiar with so I can say nothing on that matter. Dead, I suggest you read my latest blog post which sheds a little bit of light on what it's like to transition. I have to respectfully disagree with you, it's not something done on a whim. That's why there's a whole process, it weeds out people who aren't doing it for the right reasons.
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No. Not that. Keep that away from this forum. It's vile. I see Hex has issued a warning for this, but anymore posts as forward, presumptuous and disrespectful as this will result in a ban from the forum. It is not on at all.
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I guess the main reason I'm so irked by all of this is that no one looks at the caliber of opponent she was facing as a factor of her success. They all form opinions centralizing around her sexual identification.
If anything i feel worse that she is beating up on these women that arnt even very good.
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I agree with everything else you've said and on the scientific end of things I must defer to Cowgirl as her knowledge of it is somewhat ...shall we say ...more intimate than mine. But this one thing unfortunately I do know. There have been multiple cases of athletes (no particularly good ones which is part of the issue) who have undergone sex changes to compete in the perceived weaker female category. Off the top of my head a tennis player did this in the 70's and a british boxer did this earlier this decade. It is not an unknown - though exceptionally rare - phenomenon.

It comes out of an intense desire to win but with massive insecurities and - entertainingly enough to me - correlations between success and manhood. Thank too many years of being a combat sports fan and a student of psychology. None of really had more than transitory success. They destroy on the lesser levels but they eventually hit the same kind of skill plateau as they originally did.
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It's weird how we assume that other fighters got into this sport because they love martial arts and the thrill of competition, or because they needed a job and discovered that had a skill they could cash in on. But the transgender fighter? She's only in it for the chance to commit an act of violence.

Take gender out of the equation. Imagine someone saying of Anderson Silva, "Sure, he's made a lot of money at this, but he only got started in MMA because he was looking for a way to hurt another human being without being punished for it." That'd be an insane assumption, and one we'd never make in most circumstances. Not unless a fighter came right out and told us that that was the main appeal of MMA for him, and even then we'd probably suspect that he was just working an angle to generate some hype.

I'm not saying that there aren't sick men out there who dream of a situation where they can hurt women with impunity. What I am saying is I doubt very much that even those sick individuals would be willing to undergo gender reassignment surgery followed by a steady stream of estrogen injections so that, years later and after much training and sacrifice, they could finally fulfill their dream of punching a woman in the face without legal repercussions.

Seriously, try to imagine anything in this world that you want enough to go through all that. Then consider the very real possibility that, regardless of what kind of chromosomes you're packing, there are still some women in MMA who could take your best shot and then make you wish you'd stayed home. If anything, I'm more creeped out by how many people assume that a desire to commit consequence-free violence against women is the true motivator for Fox's gender change and fight career. If that's the first assumption you jump to, what have you just told us about yourself?
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No. Not that. Keep that away from this forum. It's vile. I see Hex has issued a warning for this, but anymore posts as forward, presumptuous and disrespectful as this will result in a ban from the forum. It is not on at all.
This. No need for it. Could the post be deleted? Imagine if a new memeber joined and read this? What kind of opinion are they gonna have on this forum and the type of people that post on here. Beyond ignorant. Anything I've said is tongue in cheek, but this is just ridiculous. A blatent personal attack on a fellow member. If Cowgirl was of an ethnic minority would ptw get away with it?

My opinion on the matter is so confused right now I have no idea where I stand. Its definately changed. Cowgirl really has opened my eyes on a few of the facts. And I know I'm not the only one.
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