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View Poll Results: Should the US set a timetable for withdrawing from Iraq?
Yes, the US should get out IMMEDIATELY 5 26.32%
Yes, the US should SET A TIMETABLE 9 47.37%
No, the US should STAY THE COURSE 5 26.32%
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post #11 of 38 (permalink) Old 05-04-2007, 10:33 AM Thread Starter
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I think the US needs to set a timetable, and by doing so, we can still get the job done and here's how. The Iraqi Federal Government is the weakest national governmental system in the world. As of right now, regional governments in Iraq have more power. In a country with as many ethnic and religious differences as Iraq has, that can't work.

Regional governments sponsor the group that makes up their region, whether it be Kurds, Shia, or Sunni's. We've seen in other countries with ethnic problems that a strong federal government is needed. Marshall Tito in Yugoslavia, Saddam in Iraq.


I believe we can have a strong central government in
Iraq without making it a dictatorship. The US needs to increase the power of the Iraqi Fed. Gov. and make them less reliable on US. We also need to double, possibly even triple, the manpower of the Iraqi Security Forces.

And as for keeping a timetable secret...the insurgents are attacking us no matter what. A timetable would be in place to gradually extract our troops. It would not be like the insurgents all of a sudden had complete control over Iraq.

A timetable would be in place to shift power from the US to the Iraqi's.

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Just because America is the the most powerful country in the world doessnt mean we have to be the world's Big Brother. It is clear we are not wanted their any longer. It is a civil war over there and we are in the middle of it. For what???? The Saddamm regime has been toppled, we have tried everything we can to settle things down over there but we just cant do it. Democracy cant work in a regions of the world and it cant work in Iraq.

Do you honestly think in 2-3 years by us staying there that it will be THAT much better over there?? No it wont be. It will still be chaos. And in that 2-3 years time hundreds of 18-22 kids will be dead. They will be dead and they havent even lived yet. They will never get married, never have children. Its horrible man. I lost a freind over there and for what?? He was a 20 year old kid and he is dead now cuz our d*ckhead President is worried about his legacy and wantes to finish what he started and be the one who is responsible for turning Iraq into a democracy. Sorry Mr. President but its not gonna happen.

P.S. I used to be 100% in support of this war but now it is getting out of hand. Nothing is changing




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Just because America is the the most powerful country in the world doessnt mean we have to be the world's Big Brother. It is clear we are not wanted their any longer. It is a civil war over there and we are in the middle of it. For what???? The Saddamm regime has been toppled, we have tried everything we can to settle things down over there but we just cant do it. Democracy cant work in a regions of the world and it cant work in Iraq.

Do you honestly think in 2-3 years by us staying there that it will be THAT much better over there?? No it wont be. It will still be chaos. And in that 2-3 years time hundreds of 18-22 kids will be dead. They will be dead and they havent even lived yet. They will never get married, never have children. Its horrible man. I lost a freind over there and for what?? He was a 20 year old kid and he is dead now cuz our d*ckhead President is worried about his legacy and wantes to finish what he started and be the one who is responsible for turning Iraq into a democracy. Sorry Mr. President but its not gonna happen.

P.S. I used to be 100% in support of this war but now it is getting out of hand. Nothing is changing
Thats a very good point.

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Just because America is the the most powerful country in the world doessnt mean we have to be the world's Big Brother. It is clear we are not wanted their any longer. It is a civil war over there and we are in the middle of it. For what???? The Saddamm regime has been toppled, we have tried everything we can to settle things down over there but we just cant do it. Democracy cant work in a regions of the world and it cant work in Iraq.

Do you honestly think in 2-3 years by us staying there that it will be THAT much better over there?? No it wont be. It will still be chaos. And in that 2-3 years time hundreds of 18-22 kids will be dead. They will be dead and they havent even lived yet. They will never get married, never have children. Its horrible man. I lost a freind over there and for what?? He was a 20 year old kid and he is dead now cuz our d*ckhead President is worried about his legacy and wantes to finish what he started and be the one who is responsible for turning Iraq into a democracy. Sorry Mr. President but its not gonna happen.

P.S. I used to be 100% in support of this war but now it is getting out of hand. Nothing is changing
It's a good point in a way but we HAVEN'T tried everything. The reason we are losing this war is because our Commander in Queef felt the need to tie our troops' hands behind their backs while they fight this war. They can't do any of the shit that helped us win in WWII. Bush wants our boys to go over there and essentially do nothing. I have heard somewhere that this war has had more court marshalls than any other war in history and it's because of the STUPID ASS rules of engagement that are setup and don't nobody tell me "oh they are just there for standards, the troops don't really follow them" NOPE! That's BS, the troops DO have to follow them. At least the ones in the units I talked to. Go back and find my thread and read those rules!

THOSE RULES ALONE ARE THE SOLE REASON WE ARE NOT AND HAVE NOT WON THIS WAR YET!

Seriously, if we had the old rules, this war would have been finished in less than 3 months. We have a HORRIBLE commander in chief, we have TERRIBLE rules of engagement, and we have a country who is basically given up on their troops and is ready to call it quits and submit to Allah even though they aren't the ones over there doing the job.

People who use women and children as shields are not innocent people. Those people need to be wiped off the face of the earth. Period. If we pull out I don't care what any liberal rhetoric you hear, THEY WILL GET WORSE! It doesn't make any logical sense to me to say it will be the same if we pull out. No, it will get worse, far worse. Islamo fascism is already taking over Europe, and starting here in USA now. They need to be killed, they are a threat to everyone on earth, and if no one else is gonna stop them, then I guess the USA will have to. We are fighting a war (or SHOULD be fighting a war) on Islamo-fascism. Not Iraqi insurgency. That's what I would hope anyway.

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doesn't this make you think how totally shameful it is that 19 and 20 year olds are going over there and dying, but they couldn't buy a legal beer if they had made it home???

My guess is that a timetable is already in place, and it is classified precisely due to the reasons you all were just mentioning.
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It's a good point in a way but we HAVEN'T tried everything. The reason we are losing this war is because our Commander in Queef felt the need to tie our troops' hands behind their backs while they fight this war. They can't do any of the shit that helped us win in WWII. Bush wants our boys to go over there and essentially do nothing. I have heard somewhere that this war has had more court marshalls than any other war in history and it's because of the STUPID ASS rules of engagement that are setup and don't nobody tell me "oh they are just there for standards, the troops don't really follow them" NOPE! That's BS, the troops DO have to follow them. At least the ones in the units I talked to. Go back and find my thread and read those rules!

THOSE RULES ALONE ARE THE SOLE REASON WE ARE NOT AND HAVE NOT WON THIS WAR YET!

Seriously, if we had the old rules, this war would have been finished in less than 3 months. We have a HORRIBLE commander in chief, we have TERRIBLE rules of engagement, and we have a country who is basically given up on their troops and is ready to call it quits and submit to Allah even though they aren't the ones over there doing the job.

People who use women and children as shields are not innocent people. Those people need to be wiped off the face of the earth. Period. If we pull out I don't care what any liberal rhetoric you hear, THEY WILL GET WORSE! It doesn't make any logical sense to me to say it will be the same if we pull out. No, it will get worse, far worse. Islamo fascism is already taking over Europe, and starting here in USA now. They need to be killed, they are a threat to everyone on earth, and if no one else is gonna stop them, then I guess the USA will have to. We are fighting a war (or SHOULD be fighting a war) on Islamo-fascism. Not Iraqi insurgency. That's what I would hope anyway.
I dont think its Bush's fault for that. Alot of countries dont want us there in the first place and if we started using WW2 tactics and just killed every 1, we would have even more hate towards our country. Your right though the troops do follow those rules.




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Perhaps too simplistic a view, and in all honesty it would probably not work, but I think the US should set a timetable.

The people there hate the US and want them out, yeah? So the US should set a date and stick to it. And tell the people exactly what will happen:

Every week with killings/attacks/suicide bombings will put BACK the date of departure a week. Every week that goes by with no killing will bring FORWARD the departure a week.

Eventually the moderate people there will learn that those who KILL keep messing up their country by delaying the US’s departure. Soon they will not see the killers as Heroes, but as Villains because of their actions.

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I dont think its Bush's fault for that. Alot of countries dont want us there in the first place and if we started using WW2 tactics and just killed every 1, we would have even more hate towards our country. Your right though the troops do follow those rules.
Bush and Rumsfield made those rules. And I don't think they should go killing everyone, but they should be killing insurgents, and be allowed to do it without recording every bullet and asking them for permission before every shot that gets fired.
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doesn't this make you think how totally shameful it is that 19 and 20 year olds are going over there and dying, but they couldn't buy a legal beer if they had made it home???

My guess is that a timetable is already in place, and it is classified precisely due to the reasons you all were just mentioning.
I don't think it's shameful and I don't even feel sorry for the troops over there that are dying. They made the choice to go over there, if they didn't want to fight in the war they could get out of the military service.


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I don't think it's shameful and I don't even feel sorry for the troops over there that are dying. They made the choice to go over there, if they didn't want to fight in the war they could get out of the military service.
Oh my god, how can you say that? That's terrible. They had more balls than you or I to fight for our country and you don't feel sorry for them for dying? That is....uhhh....I don't even know the word for it. I'm flabbergasted you would say something like that.

They made the choice to go so you and I don't have to. Don't you realize if everyone thought like you, the draft would have been issued and you might be over there right now sitting in your blown up humvee slowly dying from a roadside bomb explosion. Would you want people to feel sorry for you then?

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Guess I shouldn't feel sorry for people who get killed by drunk drivers since they made the choice to get in their car and drive down the same road as the drunk driver. So they brought it upon themselves.

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