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View Poll Results: Should the US set a timetable for withdrawing from Iraq?

Yes, the US should get out IMMEDIATELY 5 26.32%
Yes, the US should SET A TIMETABLE 9 47.37%
No, the US should STAY THE COURSE 5 26.32%
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Old 05-05-2007, 04:55 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Oh my god, how can you say that? That's terrible. They had more balls than you or I to fight for our country and you don't feel sorry for them for dying? That is....uhhh....I don't even know the word for it. I'm flabbergasted you would say something like that.

They made the choice to go so you and I don't have to. Don't you realize if everyone thought like you, the draft would have been issued and you might be over there right now sitting in your blown up humvee slowly dying from a roadside bomb explosion. Would you want people to feel sorry for you then?

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Guess I shouldn't feel sorry for people who get killed by drunk drivers since they made the choice to get in their car and drive down the same road as the drunk driver. So they brought it upon themselves.
Difference of opinion. There's a difference between dying in a war and a car accident.

One is unforeseen and tragic while the other is not.

There is no reason for me or anyone else to be there, it has nothing to do with balls or our country. They didn't make the choice to go over there for me or you, they made it for themselves. No one and I mean NO ONE, makes choices for me. And no I don't want people to feel sorry for me and I don't need anyones pity.
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Old 05-05-2007, 05:10 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Joining the military doesn't neccesarly guarantee you're going to lose you life over it. The same way getting in your car and driving down the road doesn't neccesarily guarantee death. But it can happen. I don't see how it's not tragic that innocent people die, for any reason. They didn't make the choice for you persay, but if they all hadn't joined the military the draft would be active, and you might be in their shoes. The point is they joined, and you didn't have to. You should at least show a little respect. I agree it's a pointless war, but it doesn't mean they deserved to die. Sayign you don't feel sorry for them implies you felt they deserved to die. You don't feel sorry for people like VT killer, you SHOULD feel sorry for people dying doing something you and I were afraid to do.

They made the choice to join the military, they didn't make the choice to die.

Just like victims of car accidents, they made the choice to get in their car and take a chance on the open road, and risk getting hit by drunk drivers, or careless drivers, or hitting a patch of ice, or whatever. They didn't make the choice to die.

Joining the military is just a job in most people's eyes. They don't join so they can cheat death, and most don't join to go to Iraq. They join, and stay in the US or go to other countries, but they are forced to go to Iraq. There are many reasons why people join the military, even when there is no war going on, it's a job that requires no education.

People working in dangerous factories or coal mines are no different. People die all the time while they are at work, knowing full well anyone can die at any moment over one mistake or something no one can even predict. They made the choice to work at the factory or coal mine, but they didn't make the choice to die because of it. No one thinks they're gonna die. We all think we're invincible. The guys in the military are no different. It's just a job to them. Most didn't expect to get deployed to Iraq, and most didn't expect to die.

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Old 05-05-2007, 05:24 PM   #23 (permalink)
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No we shouldnt set a time table. The main problem is we are nor peacekeepers. You need to let our military fight a damn war like its meant to be fought.
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I don't think it's shameful and I don't even feel sorry for the troops over there that are dying. They made the choice to go over there, if they didn't want to fight in the war they could get out of the military service.
dude those kids are dying over there so we are safe and arent gettin killed by terrorists and u dont feel bad for them thats crazy man, im not gonna take what you said personal or anything because thats ur opinion but cmon man, those kids are heroes.. and ne one who thinks different is just ignorant..WL2FU said everything I was gonna say but really I think you should talk to a veteran or something and listen to what they have to say and maybe you would feel differently.

p.s. Im in the Army but I didnt sign up cuz I have a death wish. I did it to learn a trade and make a better life for me and my family. And Im sure thats what alot of those kids that are dying did too.
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The reason on I don't feel sorry for them is because when they are in the service during wartime and they give you your deployment papers to join the war, it's their decision to go or not. They can get out of the service and out of the war, they want to be there that's there choice. They know that there is a possibility of dying over there and still make that choice to go, so I don't feel sorry for them if they die. It's part of the enviroment over there, it being a war and all.

As for the VT killings, I can feel sorry for them(not the killer). They were in an enviroment that is suppose to be safe and controlled.

If your going to work in a hostile enviroment, military during a war, coal mining, crab fishing, police officer, etc., and you die because of it, I can't feel sorry for you. You made the decision knowing the consequences of that job, this does not imply that they deserve to die.

Military service is a job. If you ask a serviceman or woman what they do for a living, they will tell you what branch of the service they are in. They know the perks and the consequences of that job.

I can't feel sorry for someone who makes a conscience decision to put themselves into a dangerous situation.
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Old 05-05-2007, 05:55 PM   #26 (permalink)
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dude those kids are dying over there so we are safe and arent gettin killed by terrorists and u dont feel bad for them thats crazy man, im not gonna take what you said personal or anything because thats ur opinion but cmon man, those kids are heroes.. and ne one who thinks different is just ignorant..WL2FU said everything I was gonna say but really I think you should talk to a veteran or something and listen to what they have to say and maybe you would feel differently.

p.s. Im in the Army but I didnt sign up cuz I have a death wish. I did it to learn a trade and make a better life for me and my family. And Im sure thats what alot of those kids that are dying did too.
I never said anything about a death wish, that was WL2FU. Alot of people sign up for a trade or to get an education but along with that they tell you about the consequences of being in the service during a war.

My brother and his wife are veterans of the Korean War, and my grandfather fought in Germany during WWII, where he got a purple heart and a bronze star. I've talked to them about the service but that doesn't influence my opinon on this topic.
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Old 05-05-2007, 06:15 PM   #27 (permalink)
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You put your life in danger no matter what you do, every single day. If they hadn't signed those deployment papers it could be your ass over there praying to god everyday you don't run over an IED or get shot in the face by someone who looks like a civilian.

I won't hold it personal either, but I think it's really sad the way you think. Sad and disturbing.
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If Iraq bombed the U.S. in the middle of the night and tried taking over our way of life and our resources, then we would be the insurgents and terrorists. Its all about the oil guys. Dont believe the SPIN that the whitehouse is putting on it. Our soldiers are busy guarding corporate construction sites for cheap labor, while the contractors and their construction workers are making HUGE dollars. I would like to see every politician that is still for the war in Iraq have to enlist their own relatives to fight. Also they say that if we leave they will follow us home. What if we win, will they (the ones who hate us with a passion or have lost their families and friends to the U.S.) just roll over and forget about it.
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How would I be over there? A draft? That wouldn't pass congress and make it to the presidents desk. A draft is there for emergencies, it was never an emergency to enter Iraq, therefore a draft would not be implemented.
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How would I be over there? A draft? That wouldn't pass congress and make it to the presidents desk. A draft is there for emergencies, it was never an emergency to enter Iraq, therefore a draft would not be implemented.
Don't be so sure. Anyway, I think you get my point. What I meant is if every soldier said "NO" to the deployment papers, chances are the draft would be active. Let's not forget Congress and the Dems both supported this war until recently.
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