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View Poll Results: Should the US set a timetable for withdrawing from Iraq?

Yes, the US should get out IMMEDIATELY 5 26.32%
Yes, the US should SET A TIMETABLE 9 47.37%
No, the US should STAY THE COURSE 5 26.32%
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Old 05-05-2007, 08:04 PM   #31 (permalink)
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If Iraq bombed the U.S. in the middle of the night and tried taking over our way of life and our resources, then we would be the insurgents and terrorists. Its all about the oil guys. Dont believe the SPIN that the whitehouse is putting on it. Our soldiers are busy guarding corporate construction sites for cheap labor, while the contractors and their construction workers are making HUGE dollars. I would like to see every politician that is still for the war in Iraq have to enlist their own relatives to fight. Also they say that if we leave they will follow us home. What if we win, will they (the ones who hate us with a passion or have lost their families and friends to the U.S.) just roll over and forget about it.
People who use women and children as shields are not innocent. Maybe you should stop believing the SPIN that the mainstream media is putting on. We're not over there solely for oil. It would be stupid to think that. Those people are not angels. They would slit your throat without thinking twice no matter how much you wanna kiss their asses. Don't believe me? Go there yourself and find out. Or just simply take the time to ask anyone who has been there, rather than some TV producers and Rupert Murdoch.

Would you use women and children as shields if we were invaded?

It's not our fault they are dealing with it wrong. We didn't go in there and start blowing shit up like you make it seem. We went in to free them from Saddaam (your hero) and to help them establish a good government so they don't have to live under the reign of a maniacal dictator anymore. I agree it is none of our business but it's not really that horrible of us to try and help them out. Sure, the oil played a big factor, but nevertheless we didn't go in guns ablaze killing everyone in sight like you make it seem. We went in to liberate (and steal oil), some of those guys didn't wanna be liberated and didn't want their people to have freedoms, so now they are backlashing. It's not because we are killing their loved ones, it's because they are psycho Saddam supporters and radical islamic fascists who don't want the world to be a happy and free place.

Saying we are there killing innocent people solely to steal their oil is naive and simple minded. You clearly have been brainwashed and cannot make an opinion of your own.

BTW I'm not "for" the war at all. But I am smart enough to see who the bad guys are. There are bad guys all over the place and we are in Iraq fighting those particular bad guys because we can benefit from them. We don't benefit much from fighting the guys in Sudan committing genocide. Plus we were already in the area of Iraq anyway before the Iraq war started. We should have had a better gameplan, but these guys we are fighting are by no means "innocent". They are evil demented sick people who have no regard for human life unless they are fellow Muslim. It's not like they just all the sudden started killing people for no reason when we invaded, they have been doing it for centuries. It needs to be stopped. This world could do without radical religious nuts who kill and torture to get their point across.

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Old 05-05-2007, 10:30 PM   #32 (permalink)
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People who use women and children as shields are not innocent. Maybe you should stop believing the SPIN that the mainstream media is putting on. We're not over there solely for oil. It would be stupid to think that. Those people are not angels. They would slit your throat without thinking twice no matter how much you wanna kiss their asses. Don't believe me? Go there yourself and find out. Or just simply take the time to ask anyone who has been there, rather than some TV producers and Rupert Murdoch.

Would you use women and children as shields if we were invaded?

It's not our fault they are dealing with it wrong. We didn't go in there and start blowing shit up like you make it seem. We went in to free them from Saddaam (your hero) and to help them establish a good government so they don't have to live under the reign of a maniacal dictator anymore. I agree it is none of our business but it's not really that horrible of us to try and help them out. Sure, the oil played a big factor, but nevertheless we didn't go in guns ablaze killing everyone in sight like you make it seem. We went in to liberate (and steal oil), some of those guys didn't wanna be liberated and didn't want their people to have freedoms, so now they are backlashing. It's not because we are killing their loved ones, it's because they are psycho Saddam supporters and radical islamic fascists who don't want the world to be a happy and free place.

Saying we are there killing innocent people solely to steal their oil is naive and simple minded. You clearly have been brainwashed and cannot make an opinion of your own.

BTW I'm not "for" the war at all. But I am smart enough to see who the bad guys are. There are bad guys all over the place and we are in Iraq fighting those particular bad guys because we can benefit from them. We don't benefit much from fighting the guys in Sudan committing genocide. Plus we were already in the area of Iraq anyway before the Iraq war started. We should have had a better gameplan, but these guys we are fighting are by no means "innocent". They are evil demented sick people who have no regard for human life unless they are fellow Muslim. It's not like they just all the sudden started killing people for no reason when we invaded, they have been doing it for centuries. It needs to be stopped. This world could do without radical religious nuts who kill and torture to get their point across.
Why would you call Saddam my hero?Did I say that? Do you really know what your talking about? Do you know who Murdoch is? Did I say they were all good people? Do you even know what the sunnis and shiites are fighting for? Mellow out you completely didnt get what I was saying. We made it worse over there,thats a fact.
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Old 05-05-2007, 10:35 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Why would you call Saddam my hero?Did I say that? Do you really know what your talking about? Do you know who Murdoch is? Did I say they were all good people? Do you even know what the sunnis and shiites are fighting for? Mellow out you completely didnt get what I was saying. We made it worse over there,thats a fact.
The way you came off it sounded like you were supporting them not us. That's why I sarcastically called Saddam your hero.

Murdoch is the guy who owns basically every media outlet you watch. He chooses what you see and what you don't see in the end.

You said "if they did it to us" which I interpreted as "they are just as innocent as you and me".

We made it worse in the same way police arriving on the scene of a armed burglary makes it worse. The bad guys are fighting back and the rules our soldiers have to follow doesn't allow them to do much about it. They're killing each other and us. That's not all our fault. We didn't force them to start killing each other. They've been doing that good on there own for quite a few centuries now.

Anyway, I may have misinterpreted what you meant. And if I did I apologize. The way you worded it sounded really bad and ignorant, and sounded like you were supporting them.
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WL2F we never went there to free the Iraqis from Saddam. The orginal objective what WMD's. When we didnt find any WMD's they had to change it to something else and that was to liberate Iraq.

If we now fought a war and not a peacekeeping mission we would be out of there. So as long as we use our military as peacekeepers then we will never get out.
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Old 05-05-2007, 11:54 PM   #35 (permalink)
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WL2F we never went there to free the Iraqis from Saddam. The orginal objective what WMD's. When we didnt find any WMD's they had to change it to something else and that was to liberate Iraq.

If we now fought a war and not a peacekeeping mission we would be out of there. So as long as we use our military as peacekeepers then we will never get out.
Yea I know, like I said I'm not for the war at all. But when they changed it to liberation after we officially found out there were no WMD's, I thought that was a understandable reason. I don't neccessarily agree with doing it, because I thought it would only take like a few months. Now it's just stupid.

Destroy the Sunni triangle and get the **** out already.

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Old 05-06-2007, 06:54 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Cool would luv to fight you. I shouldnt even be talking politics on any forum . I am just frustrated that our young american soldiers are over there getting messed up. For what? I live about 20 minutes from the trade center and after 9/11 happened evrybody went crazy. They were beating up all brown ethnic people. Then we went to Afghanistan to get Bin Laden which was good IMO. But then all of a sudden it was like Lets bomb Iraq they are a threat. So we dont have Bin Laden and you hardly hear about the war in afghanistan. We killed Saddam which im glad but the new government in Iraq is real bad too. And they cant control anything. Thats all. I just care about the soldiers, they did their job, I think they should start coming back.
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Cool would luv to fight you. I shouldnt even be talking politics on any forum . I am just frustrated that our young american soldiers are over there getting messed up. For what? I live about 20 minutes from the trade center and after 9/11 happened evrybody went crazy. They were beating up all brown ethnic people. Then we went to Afghanistan to get Bin Laden which was good IMO. But then all of a sudden it was like Lets bomb Iraq they are a threat. So we dont have Bin Laden and you hardly hear about the war in afghanistan. We killed Saddam which im glad but the new government in Iraq is real bad too. And they cant control anything. Thats all. I just care about the soldiers, they did their job, I think they should start coming back.
Yea I agree I feel the same way. Just if they come back I think it should be on the down low.
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they probably will be coming back, just a little at a time and without fanfare as WLTFU said.

I stand by what I said about how hypocritical it is that they don't have all the privileges an adult has in our country (eg alcohol if they're under 21) yet they make the extremely adult choice (whether or not they are capable of understanding the long-term implications) of joining the military. they DO NOT for the most part have the option to simply leave the service. you can't sign up and if there's a war, say, "oh I didn't sign up for that, I'm leaving."

even if they enlisted after the war had begun, they still wouldn't have a choice to get out. My husband enlisted in 1987 (101st airborne) and left in 1989, however he was still reserves until 1995 and if they'd wanted to send him to the Gulf in 1991, he would have had to go either way. he would have been unable to get out of it regardless of the fact that he was educated, would have been officer material, etc. etc. i point this out as a means to show you how the underprivileged, uneducated kids who join up are getting f***ed over and viewed as disposable at the highest levels of the military.
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