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Old 10-24-2013, 08:58 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:27 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Gay -> porn star, no matter how you spin it.

You can't choose your sexuality, you can choose what you do with it though.
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:46 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Gay -> porn star, no matter how you spin it.

You can't choose your sexuality, you can choose what you do with it though.

Gay leads to porn star? Or was that just a major fail of a greater than?
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Old 10-25-2013, 12:14 AM   #44 (permalink)
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I just found out a little while back a friend of mine from high school does gay porn....Pretty weird... I've seen him around town and it is just completely awkward because he has the I'm a fitness model story. I don't know any chicks personally that does porn.

I have a cousin that is gay. That is also pretty weird.

He hasn't just came out and told everybody but he has told select family members. Mainly the female members. I don't have children so I really couldn't give an opinion on the OP...
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Old 10-25-2013, 02:04 AM   #45 (permalink)
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A common misconception. There are many women in porn because they actually enjoy the work and had great upbringings. Porn is a work industry, not that different than any other. Many of them have perfectly happy, stable, mentally sound and enjoyable lives doing that type of work, and many have perfectly stable and happy relationships with their parents.

There are horror stories with porn and some women get into it for all the wrong reasons, but the question wasn't "your daughter doing porn because of an awful abusive childhood", it was just doing porn, of which many women do it because they want to and have perfectly happy/stable lives doing so.
And do you have any solid proof that this is a misconception? Like actual studies or statistics? And I mean beyond the token pornstar interview about being in a land of rainbows and sunshine a couple of years before they OD on oxytocin.

Every major pornstar from Jenna and Linda Lovelace to even men like Ron Jeremy and Rocco Siffrendi etc. has come out and talked about how deeply depressed, damaged and suicidal they have felt, how much abuse they have gone through IN THE INDUSTRY (and not in childhood), and how many ailments they have.

https://www.shelleylubben.com/pornstars

I would imagine living with multiple STDs , zero emotional relationships, beaten and being treated like an object etc. in a drug, viagra and violence fueled industry isn't exactly Disneyland, but IMO it's easy to exhalt when it's other people's daughters instead of one's own.

I'm pretty sure yours is the misconception, a study to chew on:

http://ps.psychiatryonline.org/artic...ticleID=116227
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Old 10-25-2013, 02:52 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Gay leads to porn star? Or was that just a major fail of a greater than?
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Gay > Porn

In saying that I am not against people being in porn. If I had a kid and they wanted to become a porn star when they grew up, who am I to try and stop them?

I hated it when people tried to put me in a cage when I was a child so why would I then go and do the same to my offspring?

As long as you aren't harming anybody, do as you so please. We shouldn't worry about the opinions of others, just as long as our offspring are safe, happy and not hurting others.
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Old 10-25-2013, 02:56 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Gay > Porn

In saying that I am not against people being in porn. If I had a kid and they wanted to become a porn star when they grew up, who am I to try and stop them?

I hated it when people tried to put me in a cage when I was a child so why would I then go and do the same to my offspring?

As long as you aren't harming anybody, do as you so please. We shouldn't worry about the opinions of others, just as long as our offspring are safe, happy and not hurting others.
They most likely won't be safe at all or happy in any way though, did you read the study and testimonies I posted above?

What if your kid wanted to commit suicide or jump of a cliff? Is it "caging" them to hold them back, give them a hug and a talk, and most likely have them thank you later for it? Or should you as the perfect parent watch them live their free will and reach profound happiness as they splat on the rocks below?

Most if not all people who get into porn regret it. It's not about them pursuing happiness, it's about having no options, guidance or love. It's a cry for help, not a childhood dream. How many little 8 year old girls do you know that write "porn star" on the "what do you want to be when you grow up?" quizzes?

This argument is based on a false premise IMO.
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Old 10-25-2013, 03:15 AM   #48 (permalink)
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They most likely won't be happy though, did you read the study and testimonies I posted above?
A big part of my guidance as a parent will be to follow your heart, do what you love to do and what you enjoy just as long as you aren't hurting others and can afford to sleep and eat in comfort.

The cases above are generally not coming from loving and supportive homes. I am saying that if my child from my loving and supporting home decided to become a porn star, then so be it-

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What if your kid wanted to commit suicide or jump of a cliff? Is it "caging" them to hold them back, give them a hug and a talk, and most likely have them thank you later for it? Or should you as the perfect parent watch them live their free will and reach profound happiness as they splat on the rocks below?
This is a loaded question, for this particular situation, the two aren't really related.

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Most if not all people who get into porn regret it. It's not about them pursuing happiness, it's about having no options, guidance or love. It's a cry for help, not a childhood dream. How many little 8 year old girls do you know that write "porn star" on the "what do you want to be when you grow up?" quizzes?
How many 8 year olds even know what a porn star is? That isn't likely to become an option until the child in question hits puberty.

If you don't enjoy something and that something isn't a temporary stepping stone on the way to bigger and better things, then don't do it. That is the sort of advice that I would be giving to my children throughout their upbringings.
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Old 10-25-2013, 03:23 AM   #49 (permalink)
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A big part of my guidance as a parent will be to follow your heart, do what you love to do and what you enjoy just as long as you aren't hurting others and can afford to sleep and eat in comfort.

The cases above are generally not coming from loving and supportive homes. I am saying that if my child from my loving and supporting home decided to become a porn star, then so be it-



This is a loaded question, for this particular situation, the two aren't really related.



How many 8 year olds even know what a porn star is? That isn't likely to become an option until the child in question hits puberty.

If you don't enjoy something and that something isn't a temporary stepping stone on the way to bigger and better things, then don't do it. That is the sort of advice that I would be giving to my children throughout their upbringings.
Again it's a false premise, the above cases come from emotionally traumatized homes, so porn has nothing to do with their abuse.

Every porn star talks about how EVERY SINGLE ONE of their coworkers, WITHOUT EXCEPTION was heavily involved in major drugs and most went through depression. I'll take their accounts over some hypothetical mystical super happy super loved porn star with no issues that just does it because it is their greatest dream. That person doesn't exist.

Even without the abuse or the above argument what about STDs? Did you read in the study how it is impossible even with routine screening to completely stop STDs in the industry, and how most of them are infected with some very destructive, cancerous and horribly painful ones for life? How does that fit into the "go chase your dream of videotaped prostitution without any consequences, my sweet hypothetical daughter" theory?
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Again it's a false premise, the above cases come from emotionally traumatized homes, so porn has nothing to do with their abuse.
Every porn star talks about how EVERY SINGLE ONE of their coworkers, WITHOUT EXCEPTION was heavily involved in major drugs and most went through depression. I'll take their accounts over some hypothetical mystical super happy super loved porn star with no issues that just does it because it is their greatest dream. That person doesn't exist.
If that person couldn't possibly exist then my hypothetical daughter doesn't become a pornstar. Therefore the point is moot.

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Even without the abuse what about STDs. Did you read in the study how it is impossible even with routine screening to completely stop STDs in the industry, and how most of them are infected with some very destructive, cancerous and horribly painful ones for life? How does that fit into your "go chase your dream without any consequences an sweet hypothetical daughter that I don't have yet" theory?

Porn has expanded, man. I posted a site a couple of pages back.
Now we have horny people exposing themselves/having sex on webcam for live audiences that pay good money to request things. If you can make a living doing that then you're a porn star by career and I don't see any of the negative stigma attached.

also they use condoms in Bangbus and most porn that is made to look like the girls are amateur.
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