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Old 01-08-2014, 04:18 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Ive only ever seen a real gun a handful of times and Ive only ever shot a real gun once (a friend who is a farmer let me shoot his rifle one time). I don't know anyone who has been shot, i've never heard of anyone I know or who lives in the local area being shot.

Not that I'm anti gun or anything (nor am i pro gun) but the stats do speak for themselves. Guns are rare in the UK. Even on the news, you very rarely hear of shootings.

Honestly, I'd love to live in the USA but I could never ever move there and expose my children to the risk of being shot up at school or held up at gun point in the street. Yeah, muggings happen here and people get stabbed sometimes but you can run away from a knife... you cant run away from a gun.
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All those mass shootings casualities could have been a lot lower if just one other person was packing and could shoot the criminal dead.
Probably not. The problem is chaos. There may be several "good guys" to pull their guns, but in chaos you cannot really distinguish between the "good guys" and the "bad guys". So everyone with a gun in his hand will be considered a high threat and "good guys" start shooting at "good guys with guns", because they don't know that they are "good guys" but only see "guys with guns" shooting at other people. It's not a computer game where the "bad guys" are marked so you know who to shoot. Instead, because of the chaos there will be a lot of friendly fire.
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Probably not. The problem is chaos. There may be several "good guys" to pull their guns, but in chaos you cannot really distinguish between the "good guys" and the "bad guys". So everyone with a gun in his hand will be considered a high threat and "good guys" start shooting at "good guys with guns", because they don't know that they are "good guys" but only see "guys with guns" shooting at other people. It's not a computer game where the "bad guys" are marked so you know who to shoot. Instead, because of the chaos there will be a lot of friendly fire.
Well clearly if everyone is ducking in a held up bank we all know who the criminal is, and the colorado movie shooting there was one guy with all the weaponary clearing everything in his path away. You can't tell me in instances like that a citizen with a gun couldn't have taken said criminals out and shorten the damage.

I'll tell you one thing if I was a criminal I would be hoping for guns to be outlawed because then the risk of committing crimes and not getting my ass shot drops significantly and I would get away with way more.
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Well clearly if everyone is ducking in a held up bank we all know who the criminal is, and the colorado movie shooting there was one guy with all the weaponary clearing everything in his path away. You can't tell me in instances like that a citizen with a gun couldn't have taken said criminals out and shorten the damage.
You (and in particular the police) can tell, because they are the ones with the guns. Now what happens when other people also have their guns pulled and shoot, how do you distinguish¿

There is friendly fire even among highly trained soldiers, "accounting for an estimated 2% to 20% of all casualties in battle". So it's very unlikely for civilians to be more cool headed and to be able to distinguish between the "bad guys" and the "good guys" in a chaotic situation when the shooting begins.

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I'll tell you one thing if I was a criminal I would be hoping for guns to be outlawed because then the risk of committing crimes and not getting my ass shot drops significantly and I would get away with way more.
That's why the crime rates in the US are so low
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You (and in particular the police) can tell, because they are the ones with the guns. Now what happens when other people also have their guns pulled and shoot, how do you distinguish¿

There is friendly fire even among highly trained soldiers, "accounting for an estimated 2% to 20% of all casualties in battle". So it's very unlikely for civilians to be more cool headed and to be able to distinguish between the "bad guys" and the "good guys" in a chaotic situation when the shooting begins.



That's why the crime rates in the US are so low
You really think taking away guns by making ridiculous laws will stump crooks and they will say well gee guess we can't get guns anymore because the law says so. No instead they will be like wow thanks for making this way easier for us, we'll just get some illegal imported guns and rob or kill anyone we want without any fear of retaliation. Crime rates won't just disappear because of a knee jerk reaction to the next kid on meds who shouldn't have a gun anyways shoots up a public place.
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I wonder if all these articles stating "MMA" fighter is a method of publicizing the negative or positive aspects of the sport. You rarely hear about an XYZ athlete who's a no namer or a "Navy Seals or Green Beret" hurting someone ya know what I mean. There's always an emphasis on MMA. Cool story, but I find it funny on how they title it. I think it's just a headline grabber.
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You really think taking away guns by making ridiculous laws will stump crooks and they will say well gee guess we can't get guns anymore because the law says so. No instead they will be like wow thanks for making this way easier for us, we'll just get some illegal imported guns and rob or kill anyone we want without any fear of retaliation. Crime rates won't just disappear because of a knee jerk reaction to the next kid on meds who shouldn't have a gun anyways shoots up a public place.
By your logic the US would have the least crime rates in the world as it's probably the country with the most legal guns in civilian hands. But that has been disproven.
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I'm surprised at how civil this gun debate is.

My opinion is short and sweet. If everyone had a gun I'd be scared shitless because people are morons. I'd rather have the odd bad guy rob me than the whole freaking town carrying guns. Seriously, if my neighbour had a gun I'm positive I'd already be dead. Twice.
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I'm surprised at how civil this gun debate is.

My opinion is short and sweet. If everyone had a gun I'd be scared shitless because people are morons. I'd rather have the odd bad guy rob me than the whole freaking town carrying guns. Seriously, if my neighbour had a gun I'm positive I'd already be dead. Twice.
But if you had a gun, you could shoot him first!

Havent't basically all school shootings in Germany in the last 20 years been done with legal guns¿ (Yet video games were announced the problem)
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