Originally Posted by Josh3239
To a certain extent yes I agree, but this country was founded upon Judeo-Christian values by religous men. On top of which a large amount of this country is religous. And we cannot ignore that fact. To say that our current president is criminal because of applying religion to politics is going a bit overboard. There is a separation of Church and government, but it is so much more complicated than that. Has Bush crossed that line? Perhaps, but nothing to the extent that has currently earned him impeachment, criminal trial, or having any legislation found unconstitutional.
I am not a big fan of Bush, but I do believe people crap on him more than they should. Speaking of politics have you been keeping up with the Presidential candidates debates?
yes and no. true, the men who founded the country were brought up under Christian "values", but they explicetly wrote how they wanted religion out of every political decision. they wrote, extensively, especially hamilton and the other main guys, how religion was nothing but corruption in politics and had no buisness influencing matters of state. yes, their values came from Christian upbringings, but intended for religion never to get in the way of policy. they were smart enough to look forward, knowing there might be matters unforseen by them in which religion might complicate matters. and they wrote, into the constitution that it would have no influence. read the Federalist Papers and you'll see what the founding fathers thought of religion.
don't forget--as everyone does--that this country was founded during the enlightenment. it was founded by enlightened thinkers who broke away from royalty and founded a country were all religions could be practiced, unfettered by each other. that shows how they knew only a country run without the influence of religion could truly be a safehaven from those very religions.
the fact is, that many in this country are religious, and almost just as many are christian. but we are not a Christian nation, that is simply a fact. no decree was ever made in any founding document as to which religion--if any, which we know there wasn't--was intended to govern the nation. We know they wanted it otherwise, where religion played only a personal role, not one that would influence policy both domestic and foreign.
i can garauntee that the founding fathers would have called for a revolt against any president proclaiming to work for, and getting orders directly from, God. for instance, it is in the constitution that no test of faith shall ever be required for admition to office. that means no swearing on bibles... yet what do senators have to do? what big stink was made about someone watning to swear in on the koran, rather than the bible... when neither is allowed by constitution. swearing on scripture was expressely forbidden in teh constitution, and yet we do it... perhaps symbolically, but isn't that even worse???
read the founder's work; you'll see!