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Old 06-03-2007, 04:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Putin Warns on U.S. Missiles in Europe - The Huffington Post

So, Bush and his cabal are going ahead with plans to build missile defense systems across europe, going against Russian requests to talk about the problems and work on sollutions together. Russian President Putin has asked Bush not to build the defense systems, claiming that doing so would leave no choice but to build their own defenses, as these US bases would have the capability to reach Russia if need be.

Basically, since Bush has no clue what he's doing, he's going to risk another Cold war to "stop dem dere darn terrorists". This can't be good for America, Russia, or anyone else, least of all Europe. We're basically arming Europe with our weapons in the event that our heads will be perptetually stuck up our own asses.

We're all screwed; and don't think that before Bush leaves he'll forget to attack Iran... you wait, and watch...

And the worst part, is that if we don't get attacked again before Bush leaves office, and if we don't premptively strike someone else to spread around our urine some more, those terrorists will strike early on into the next president's term. And our actions then will dictate the course of actions for everyone involved. If we don't refuse to accept their terms of engagement, we'll never escape the quagmire we're all stuck in!
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Old 06-03-2007, 05:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Putin is a criminal. I may have missed something but it sounds like a missle defense system, no? And calling it a cold war is ridiculous. The United States's ability to support a war as well as our military is great, much greater than any POS thing the Russians have or had. The Russians embarrasingly lost the Cold War, Putin is just talking. He knows he cannot have a pissing contest with the US.

Again, I may have missed it. But I doubt we are arming Europe. Chances are they missile defense systems in Europe are being built on American bases. While its possible, I have a hard time believing the Europeans are against a missle defense system.
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Old 06-04-2007, 12:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
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we're not arming euorope, we're just establishing our own missiles throughout euorope. and as far as putin being a criminal... and Bush isn't? last time i checked, when a president says that he doesn't need warrants to impede our personal privacy, that's criminal behavior...

but maybe calling it a cold war isn't accurate; it's more like we're skipping cold war and just begining to establish millitairy bases capable of missile strikes all around the world, getting ready for the greater war Bush can't wait to start!
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Are you serious? Bush has no hidden agenda.

Putin is a criminal yes, Bush no. What has he done that is criminal? The "impeding privacy" was passed by Congress and no one has found it unconstitunional. As far as "impeding privacy" goes, do you think he is tapping the phones of average joe American or tapping the phones of an Islamic man who came from Syria and spent time in an Israeli prison? The fact is, we are fighting a new threat and we must adapt to that threat.

Putin's "threat" is nothing more than words. Its nothing to get worried over.
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Old 06-04-2007, 12:41 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Are you serious? Bush has no hidden agenda.

Putin is a criminal yes, Bush no. What has he done that is criminal? The "impeding privacy" was passed by Congress and no one has found it unconstitunional. As far as "impeding privacy" goes, do you think he is tapping the phones of average joe American or tapping the phones of an Islamic man who came from Syria and spent time in an Israeli prison? The fact is, we are fighting a new threat and we must adapt to that threat.

Putin's "threat" is nothing more than words. Its nothing to get worried over.
very well said. but i also consider a criminal, someone who openly promotes the idea that God has put him in office to "bring deomocracy" to the world. he has taken his faith and hampered scientific and social advancement, as well as did everything possible to interfier on private decisions of life--terry shiavo. he has done whatever possible to demolish the line set forth by our founding fathers, to sepparate the church from influenceing the public good. he has essentially championed the idea of a democratic religion, taking its roots from Evangelical, apocalyptic Christianity, and imposed those personal beliefs onto America's foreign and domestic policy. That's criminal.

just as you say we need to adapt to new threats never before conceived, we must also recognize threats hidden within religion and forced upon the nation by a man claiming in public that God put him in office to do his bidding...

that's actually one of the definitions of psychotic behavior...
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Why is it that he gets to set as many War heads and Missiles across the world, and we can't pick our noses without getting sanctioned.
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To a certain extent yes I agree, but this country was founded upon Judeo-Christian values by religous men. On top of which a large amount of this country is religous. And we cannot ignore that fact. To say that our current president is criminal because of applying religion to politics is going a bit overboard. There is a separation of Church and government, but it is so much more complicated than that. Has Bush crossed that line? Perhaps, but nothing to the extent that has currently earned him impeachment, criminal trial, or having any legislation found unconstitutional.

I am not a big fan of Bush, but I do believe people crap on him more than they should. Speaking of politics have you been keeping up with the Presidential candidates debates?
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Why is it that he gets to set as many War heads and Missiles across the world, and we can't pick our noses without getting sanctioned.
When you say "we", who is we?

And again, this is Bush (whom I am assuming is "he") getting credit that he doesn't deserve. America has kept military bases all over the world. This is not new nor is Bush the first one to install missles into those bases. Although this is a missle defense system so I don't understand why anyone is complaining?

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"We" as in the rest of the world
I dont think US deserves "World Police" status
They are taking too much power and responsibility from the UN and the UN is one of the most useful things for humanity.

I am willing to bet you that if any Middle Eastern, African, or east Asian country decided to set up global missiles in the name of Defense they would get flamed like no tomorrow
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Old 06-04-2007, 01:20 AM   #10 (permalink)
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To a certain extent yes I agree, but this country was founded upon Judeo-Christian values by religous men. On top of which a large amount of this country is religous. And we cannot ignore that fact. To say that our current president is criminal because of applying religion to politics is going a bit overboard. There is a separation of Church and government, but it is so much more complicated than that. Has Bush crossed that line? Perhaps, but nothing to the extent that has currently earned him impeachment, criminal trial, or having any legislation found unconstitutional.

I am not a big fan of Bush, but I do believe people crap on him more than they should. Speaking of politics have you been keeping up with the Presidential candidates debates?
yes and no. true, the men who founded the country were brought up under Christian "values", but they explicetly wrote how they wanted religion out of every political decision. they wrote, extensively, especially hamilton and the other main guys, how religion was nothing but corruption in politics and had no buisness influencing matters of state. yes, their values came from Christian upbringings, but intended for religion never to get in the way of policy. they were smart enough to look forward, knowing there might be matters unforseen by them in which religion might complicate matters. and they wrote, into the constitution that it would have no influence. read the Federalist Papers and you'll see what the founding fathers thought of religion.

don't forget--as everyone does--that this country was founded during the enlightenment. it was founded by enlightened thinkers who broke away from royalty and founded a country were all religions could be practiced, unfettered by each other. that shows how they knew only a country run without the influence of religion could truly be a safehaven from those very religions.

the fact is, that many in this country are religious, and almost just as many are christian. but we are not a Christian nation, that is simply a fact. no decree was ever made in any founding document as to which religion--if any, which we know there wasn't--was intended to govern the nation. We know they wanted it otherwise, where religion played only a personal role, not one that would influence policy both domestic and foreign.

i can garauntee that the founding fathers would have called for a revolt against any president proclaiming to work for, and getting orders directly from, God. for instance, it is in the constitution that no test of faith shall ever be required for admition to office. that means no swearing on bibles... yet what do senators have to do? what big stink was made about someone watning to swear in on the koran, rather than the bible... when neither is allowed by constitution. swearing on scripture was expressely forbidden in teh constitution, and yet we do it... perhaps symbolically, but isn't that even worse???

read the founder's work; you'll see!
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