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Old 11-06-2014, 02:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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"I fully believe that I am my brother's keeper." That's 90-year-old Arnold Abbott, a homeless-rights activist from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, who's now facing jail time for the crime of feeding the city's homeless.

A new ordinance in the city effectively bans groups from feeding the homeless in public areas and on Sunday, police charged two ministers and Abbott under it. They could face up to 60 days in jail and a $500 fine for the "crime."

"One of the police officers came over and said, 'Drop that plate right now,' as if I was carrying a weapon," Abbott told Ft. Lauderdale CNN affiliate WPLG.

In 1999, Abbott sued the city for banning him from feeding the homeless on the area's beach – and won. "I'm going to have to go to court again to sue the city of Fort Lauderdale," said Abbott, who serves hundreds of meals for the homeless in the local Sanctuary Church kitchen every week. "These are the poorest of the poor," he continued. "They have nothing. Don't have a roof over their head[s], and who could turn them away?"

Mayor Jack Seiler warned that the city wouldn't relent: "We enforce the laws here in Fort Lauderdale."

In Abbott's words: "It's man's inhumanity to man."
No, this country isn't turning into a police state, not at all. I mean, arresting 90 year old men for doing nothing but trying to feed hungry people living on the streets, that seems right. Perfectly rational and most certainly the right thing to do. Trying to feed the hungry/poor? Doing something good? Trying to help others? Go to jail, asshole. Welcome to America.
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What's the reason? I get not wanting to feed there addictions by giving them money... but what harm is there in handing out food?
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What's the reason? I get not wanting to feed there addictions by giving them money... but what harm is there in handing out food?
There is "harm" to the government. Homeless people are a sign that something goes wrong in the country. The more homeless people there are, the more it means that the government has no solutions to existing economical and social problems of the society.

Feeding the homeless puts them into a lime light. You get a better idea of the amount of homeless people if they come and gather a one place, like the one where food is given out to them, than when they just walk through the streets individually (often not even recognised as homeless, because a lot of them don't look like the stereotype, but just like normal people) or hide in some unseen shelter.

As people in the government want to show their success in their election term to get reelected, but have no solution to the economical and social problems, instead of working on solutions (which is pretty hard and not only in the hands of a government) they take the easy route and just ban the possibility to feed the homeless. That way the homeless are gone frome the public eye.

No homeless seen = no homeless = no problems = successful government => better chance at the next elections


It's shooting the messenger of a bad message instead of dealing with the bad message. It's an old political trick and an easy one, because those that are a sign that something goes wrong in society (like the homeless) are the weak and poor, hence they have no lobby behind them to fight for their rights.
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Disgraceful, but I'm not surprised.

If I were a cop and I saw some guy feeding a homeless guy I'd just turn a blind eye to it. I bet that cop is right ******* jobsworth.

I'm becoming more concerned about the situation in America, with regards to the police state... I always think what happens in America eventually ends up in the UK.

Question for you Americans - Yesterday (Nov 5th) was Guy Fawkes night in the UK. For those not in the know Guy Fawkes tried to blow up the UK government in 1605. The mask that is used in the V - for Vendetta movie is based on the appearance of Guy Fawkes and this has been adapted by the hacktivist group Anonymous.

So yesterday there was a protest in London, basically a group of anti-capitalists with Guy Fawkes masks, there was about 10 arrests all-in-all which isn't to bad for something like this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-29919083

So, if the same thing happened in America - how would the police react?
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What's the reason? I get not wanting to feed there addictions by giving them money... but what harm is there in handing out food?
What addictions? There's a common misconception that homeless people = alcoholics/drug addicts that are homeless because all their money go to drugs/alcohol. Many homeless people are just that, homeless. They have had a rough life, can't find work, family either won't take them in or family lives too far away to get to them. Many homeless are only homeless for a few weeks/months at a time, and are simply waiting for something (like family coming down or possibly have a job lined up, etc).

Yeah, there are homeless that are that way because of drugs and drinking, and if you give them money they will go buy more, but there are many who aren't like that at all, who just want some money for food/shelter for the night, or some new clothes/blankets, and they are only homeless because they ran out of work, or are waiting for the end of the month for a new job, or anything like that.

The point I'm trying to make is, giving them money isn't wrong. Many, many of them would use that money to buy food on their own, blankets, maybe buy a hotel so they can get a solid nights worth of sleep with a shower and TV/live comfortably for a night. Giving money, food, items, anything, to homeless people is a positive, a good deed and something that should be supported.

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There is "harm" to the government. Homeless people are a sign that something goes wrong in the country. The more homeless people there are, the more it means that the government has no solutions to existing economical and social problems of the society.

Feeding the homeless puts them into a lime light. You get a better idea of the amount of homeless people if they come and gather a one place, like the one where food is given out to them, than when they just walk through the streets individually (often not even recognised as homeless, because a lot of them don't look like the stereotype, but just like normal people) or hide in some unseen shelter.

As people in the government want to show their success in their election term to get reelected, but have no solution to the economical and social problems, instead of working on solutions (which is pretty hard and not only in the hands of a government) they take the easy route and just ban the possibility to feed the homeless. That way the homeless are gone frome the public eye.

No homeless seen = no homeless = no problems = successful government => better chance at the next elections


It's shooting the messenger of a bad message instead of dealing with the bad message. It's an old political trick and an easy one, because those that are a sign that something goes wrong in society (like the homeless) are the weak and poor, hence they have no lobby behind them to fight for their rights.
Agreed.

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Disgraceful, but I'm not surprised.

If I were a cop and I saw some guy feeding a homeless guy I'd just turn a blind eye to it. I bet that cop is right ******* jobsworth.

I'm becoming more concerned about the situation in America, with regards to the police state... I always think what happens in America eventually ends up in the UK.

Question for you Americans - Yesterday (Nov 5th) was Guy Fawkes night in the UK. For those not in the know Guy Fawkes tried to blow up the UK government in 1605. The mask that is used in the V - for Vendetta movie is based on the appearance of Guy Fawkes and this has been adapted by the hacktivist group Anonymous.

So yesterday there was a protest in London, basically a group of anti-capitalists with Guy Fawkes masks, there was about 10 arrests all-in-all which isn't to bad for something like this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-29919083

So, if the same thing happened in America - how would the police react?
This is what happens if you protest in America:



Now, you're probably thinking to yourself "man, those officers must have been fired, thrown into jail, they are pepper spraying students while exercising their """"""free""""""" right to protest/have a peaceful movement", sorry to disappoint you, no. You know what happened? The officer was paid $38,000 in worker's compensation for the "psychological pain" he went through, the poor, poor man, and retained all of his retirement credits for the years he worked there. He got AWARDED money for abusing his powers.

So, to answer your question, they probably would have been beaten with clubs, pepper sprayed and tossed in jail. Or, just shot them. Police in America love shooting innocent people, it happens all the time, a quick Google search is all you need to see that for yourself.
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So, to answer your question, they probably would have been beaten with clubs, pepper sprayed and tossed in jail. Or, just shot them. Police in America love shooting innocent people, it happens all the time, a quick Google search is all you need to see that for yourself.
And now some UK police have been issued side arms - something I 100% disagree with.

The problem is that when police carry weapons they use them as problem solvers rather than using communication or physical force to resolve a situation. It's an easy way out, I can see why so many armed police are quick to draw their weapons.
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And now some UK police have been issued side arms - something I 100% disagree with.

The problem is that when police carry weapons they use them as problem solvers rather than using communication or physical force to resolve a situation. It's an easy way out, I can see why so many armed police are quick to draw their weapons.
You have no idea how much it is abused. Some months back a teen was shot at his front door by a police officer (who had been fired from a different area previously for shooting someone, mind you), you know why he was shot? He was holding a Wii controller, and she felt her life was in danger and shot him. Guess what happened to the police officer? Nothing. Nah, you see, even if you're a second offender at abusing your power and shooting innocent people, you can still hold a job and keep your gun and continue to abuse your power. Lovely, isn't it?

So, right now, in Georgia, there's a cop running around who has the power to pull a gun on you, who has abused her power and shot at least two people, one of them a teenager who is now dead all because he answered the door holding a video game controller.

It makes me sick that I am forced to pay the salary of these social degenerates to run around with a gun, abusing their nonsensical power on innocent civilians. This woman, this murderer, this killer of innocent kids, is out there with a job living her life as normal, and taxpayers, American's, pay her wages to do this. It's disgusting.
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There is "harm" to the government. Homeless people are a sign that something goes wrong in the country. The more homeless people there are, the more it means that the government has no solutions to existing economical and social problems of the society.

Feeding the homeless puts them into a lime light. You get a better idea of the amount of homeless people if they come and gather a one place, like the one where food is given out to them, than when they just walk through the streets individually (often not even recognised as homeless, because a lot of them don't look like the stereotype, but just like normal people) or hide in some unseen shelter.

As people in the government want to show their success in their election term to get reelected, but have no solution to the economical and social problems, instead of working on solutions (which is pretty hard and not only in the hands of a government) they take the easy route and just ban the possibility to feed the homeless. That way the homeless are gone frome the public eye.

No homeless seen = no homeless = no problems = successful government => better chance at the next elections


It's shooting the messenger of a bad message instead of dealing with the bad message. It's an old political trick and an easy one, because those that are a sign that something goes wrong in society (like the homeless) are the weak and poor, hence they have no lobby behind them to fight for their rights.
Voiceless, I think it's sad, but I think you are also right. Out of sight out of mind. Still even more sad would be a gospel of prosperity Christian making up zany reasons why it is also wrong to feed homeless, give homeless money, water, etc. In the interest of full disclosure my dad was homeless for many years, so I am not the most objective on the topic, but still makes me sick to read this kind of stuff.
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