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Old 01-21-2015, 11:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Former UFC fighter Dave Herman arrested and wife is pleading to community for help!

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On Monday there was widespread reporting that heavyweight MMA fighter Dave Herman had been arrested Sunday night in Indiana, following a police chase.


The Dekalb County Sheriff Department posted an incident report on their FaceBook page.



Incident: Vehicle Pursuit


Date: 01/20/2015 at 1:13 am

Location: I-69 SB at the 340 mm

Suspect: David J. Herman

Fort Wayne IN


On January 20th, 2015 at approximately 1:13 am a vehicle was observed traveling southbound on I-69 near the 340 mile marker in Ashley IN with no headlights or taillights traveling at a high rate of speed. Officers attempted to stop the vehicle but the driver, David Herman, refused to stop and led Officers in a 2 ½ -3 mile pursuit. David Herman exited the 334 mile marker exit and drove west on US Highway 6 before stopping at a gas station. David exited his vehicle and approached Officers in an aggressive manner.


David was given multiple warnings to get on the ground and failed to comply. David had to be tased in order to be taken into custody. An infant and adult female were also present in the vehicle. No one sustained any injuries in the incident. David is being charged with Resisting law enforcement with a vehicle a level 6 felony, Battery against law enforcement a level 6 felony, Neglect of a dependant a level 6 felony, and Resisting law enforcement a Class A misdemeanor. The DeKalb County Sheriff’s Department was assisted by the Waterloo Marshals Department.


Deputy Jarrid Treesh

DeKalb County Sheriff’s Department



However, Herman's wife Madeleine contested the report, and offered corroborating evidence in the form of video she took during the incident.


Herman's wife used to intern at Adam Kokesh's Adam Vs. The Man. Kokesh, a retired Marine, libertarian talk show host, and activist, put together this video.





You can call the DeKalb Prosecutor's Office at 260.925.1646 to be heard.

Madeleine Herman can be reached at madeleinemherman@gmail.com


I didn't see this here but thought I would put it up and get the world around.

Seems like some pretty conflicting information out there. Of course you don't know what happened before the video was rolling... but it seemed pretty complete as the video started when Dave exited the vehicle. Dave also didn't appear to be violent or overly aggressive.

Watch until the end when the officers supervisor is on scene asking about the officers recording cameras....

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Old 01-21-2015, 12:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Glad they are just a bit nutty and it was not a drug thing.
Video was super funny.
Was a fan of Dave's already, but now his wife also.
What a entertaining couple they are.
I would like to see more of their wacky adventures.
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You see Dave's wife, this is what happens when you get your legal information from the internet. The "police must have 3 forms of identification" bullshit is ridiculously fabricated.

He drove for THREE miles before puling over? lol
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WOW oh wow. They are coming up with these trumped up charges. I will get Dave off. Don't worry Mr. Mrs. Herman I will put the SYSTEM ON TRIAL. lol

Honestly though this shit makes my so ******* pissed. Thanks social media an dvideo recording devices for finally showing the rest of the world what these ******* cops do and how they act when they think no one is watching. Over and over we see shit like this.

I have dealt with cops a ton some are good some are bad a lot of them are sociopaths who crave empowerment and control freaks really a lot are.

I assume they were getting pulled over they wanted to go to a well lit area which is understandable. I do the same because some cops realy are fuks and don't play by the rules.

Here is where the mistake happened if you already had the cops following you for a long time they assume you are doing something wrong. So when they finally pulled into a lit area there was no reason for Dave to get out of the vehicle that will put cops on edge.

Second they are in a well lit area use common sense two forms of ID is fine in a well lit populated area your safety will not be at risk. Asking for more then two in that situation is just trolling the cops and being like those people who are just trying to **** with cops because they can.

Third when your out of the car because you decided to get out not because they asked you to you better stop turning towards the cops and keep your hands on the car. Not listening to what the cops are asking you to do in that situation will escalate the situation.

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Cops should have not let him out of the car. They should have treated it as a felony stop untill Dave sat back down in the car. Next it was pretty obvious Dave was not tying to cause ill will to them. They should not have tazed him. They should have been able to get the situation under controll without less lethal force.

In this situation bot parties are wrong and both did things they should not.
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WOW oh wow. They are coming up with these trumped up charges. I will get Dave off. Don't worry Mr. Mrs. Herman I will put the SYSTEM ON TRIAL. lol

Honestly though this shit makes my so ******* pissed. Thanks social media an dvideo recording devices for finally showing the rest of the world what these ******* cops do and how they act when they think no one is watching. Over and over we see shit like this.

I have dealt with cops a ton some are good some are bad a lot of them are sociopaths who crave empowerment and control freaks really a lot are.

I assume they were getting pulled over they wanted to go to a well lit area which is understandable. I do the same because some cops realy are fuks and don't play by the rules.

Here is where the mistake happened if you already had the cops following you for a long time they assume you are doing something wrong. So when they finally pulled into a lit area there was no reason for Dave to get out of the vehicle that will put cops on edge.

Second they are in a well lit area use common sense two forms of ID is fine in a well lit populated area your safety will not be at risk. Asking for more then two in that situation is just trolling the cops and being like those people who are just trying to **** with cops because they can.

Third when your out of the car because you decided to get out not because they asked you to you better stop turning towards the cops and keep your hands on the car. Not listening to what the cops are asking you to do in that situation will escalate the situation.

Cops Issues

Cops should have not let him out of the car. They should have treated it as a felony stop untill Dave sat back down in the car. Next it was pretty obvious Dave was not tying to cause ill will to them. They should not have tazed him. They should have been able to get the situation under controll without less lethal force.

In this situation bot parties are wrong and both did things they should not.
I was originally disagreeing with you....but then you pretty much said everything why they were in the wrong here? lol. Three miles is ridiculous and getting out of the car as a massive fuker like Dave is would have been intimidating as hell. That being said, you give dudes weapons and they turn into pussies and use their weapons at the first sign of intimidation. Cops shouldn't have weapons. Simple as that. Pepperspray and a baton aren't too bad cause no one dies from pepperspray and if you're attacked with a baton it's pretty damn clear if it was excessive or not.

That being said this doesn't seem like some massive horrible thing. He shouldn't have been tazed but they did like 5 things wrong here. Unless there is proof that he did something other than "resisting arrest", which I think might be like an overnight and a fine at worst, caution at best, he's fine. Calling for strangers who know nothing about this situation other than you being a dickhead to a cop really is ridiculous also.
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I was originally disagreeing with you....but then you pretty much said everything why they were in the wrong here? lol. Three miles is ridiculous and getting out of the car as a massive fuker like Dave is would have been intimidating as hell. That being said, you give dudes weapons and they turn into pussies and use their weapons at the first sign of intimidation. Cops shouldn't have weapons. Simple as that. Pepperspray and a baton aren't too bad cause no one dies from pepperspray and if you're attacked with a baton it's pretty damn clear if it was excessive or not.

That being said this doesn't seem like some massive horrible thing. He shouldn't have been tazed but they did like 5 things wrong here. Unless there is proof that he did something other than "resisting arrest", which I think might be like an overnight and a fine at worst, caution at best, he's fine. Calling for strangers who know nothing about this situation other than you being a dickhead to a cop really is ridiculous also.
Yep agree. Situation could have been handled differently. Like you said, I'm not sure exactly what his wife is asking for or what she is trying to do.

Also the trumped up charges she is talking about is because they will charge someone with whatever they can and everything they can because if you charge someone with 1 5th or 6th degree felony it will get dropped down to a misdemeanor.

Where as if you get charged with 2 or 3 or 4 5 degree felonies the courts will drop 3 or 4 of em but you will still get a felony charge to stick. This is generalized and in most cases not all. But that's pretty much how courts work cops charge you with as much shit as they can and drop the lesser shit to make it seem like your getting a deal then try to get a felony or 2 to stick.
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Here come all the police procedure experts...

No law says he is required to show three forms of ID. No law requires him to show ID to a suspect at the end of a ******* pursuit (major safety issues). There's not even a law I'm aware of requiring police to show a single ID other than the badge and uniform. I've been asked and politely show them my work ID card. That is all my department requires me to s how.

Officer's should have handled it differently. So should have Dave. Dave should have pulled over and a simple ticket for driving without his lights on or a warning and none of this would have happened. This is the result of people believing everything they read on the internet.

The end of the video the supervisor was asking if the cameras were on for the officers liability, not some attempt to cover up what they did. Every use of force I've ever been involved in its one of the first words out of the supervisors mouth after the situation is under control. If it wasn't rolling, you could be in serious trouble as most departments have policies about it. If another video comes out which shows something different than the officer reported he will more than likely be fired.

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Yep agree. Situation could have been handled differently. Like you said, I'm not sure exactly what his wife is asking for or what she is trying to do.

Also the trumped up charges she is talking about is because they will charge someone with whatever they can and everything they can because if you charge someone with 1 5th or 6th degree felony it will get dropped down to a misdemeanor.

Where as if you get charged with 2 or 3 or 4 5 degree felonies the courts will drop 3 or 4 of em but you will still get a felony charge to stick. This is generalized and in most cases not all. But that's pretty much how courts work cops charge you with as much shit as they can and drop the lesser shit to make it seem like your getting a deal then try to get a felony or 2 to stick.
To be honest, every charge sounds ridiculous in that situation. IMO resisting arrest shouldn't even be against the law. Obviously everybody in their right mind is going to resist arrest, it's human nature. Make him pay the speeding ticket if there even is one, make him pay the fine for driving without headlights on and be done with it.

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Here come all the police procedure experts...

No law says he is required to show three forms of ID. No law requires him to show ID to a suspect at the end of a ******* pursuit (major safety issues).

Officer's should have handled it differently.

LOL at Officers shouldn't carry guns. Some people live in a fantasy world. But what would I know. Me and my friends are power hungry sociopaths.
Not to start a debate but it works over here.
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Not to start a debate but it works over here.
We are a much, much more violent society. As a result of guns or not... bad guys have them. Cops need them because they deal with the bad guys. A second grader can understand that.
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