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Old 05-01-2015, 09:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The Vaccination Thread!

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Funkin scientists eh? Rogan had a famous esteemed scientist on his podcast last week who specialises in ageing and studying reducing the effects of ageing. When Rogans asks him about the effect of diet and what you put into your body has any effect on this ageing process, which is directly related to how healthy you are, the scientist responds that he doesn't have enough knowledge or study in this area of nutrition, but then in the same breath says it does not have an effect.
Ironically I was dating a scientist last week, (not any more ) who totally refuted benefits of an alkaline diet, green juice, all of that stuff reducing the inflammatory levels in your body. Her reasoning? Because there are not studies on it.
All the scientists can fu** off for a while if you ask me.
Dont I know it. When my son was born, the health visitor came round to our house for the first of the many scheduled visits. She then proceeded to push vaccines on us hard. We told her we dont want to vaccinate right now. We wanted to do it privately when he was older ( we lied, but we wanted to shut her up ). She then asked how we propose to stop our child from rotting as he'll be totally unprotected from all the evil germs that will kill him. We replied, "through good healthy eating". And she said back to us, for real... "Your diet has got nothing to do with your immune system". At that point we essentially threw her out the house and refused to speak to any other "health" visitors.

Ive heard this line about health and immunity not being connected several times since, from people in the health industry. Its like ReptilianSayer says, intellectualism with no intelligence.
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Old 05-01-2015, 09:42 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Dont I know it. When my son was born, the health visitor came round to our house for the first of the many scheduled visits. She then proceeded to push vaccines on us hard. We told her we dont want to vaccinate right now. We wanted to do it privately when he was older ( we lied, but we wanted to shut her up ). She then asked how we propose to stop our child from rotting as he'll be totally unprotected from all the evil germs that will kill him. We replied, "through good healthy eating". And she said back to us, for real... "Your diet has got nothing to do with your immune system". At that point we essentially threw her out the house and refused to speak to any other "health" visitors.

Ive heard this line about health and immunity not being connected several times since, from people in the health industry. Its like ReptilianSayer says, intellectualism with no intelligence.
Don't even get me started on these damn vaccines. I read an article about a mother who told the doctors over and over in the hospital that she did NOT WANT her baby jabbed with countless needles for vaccination.

When the baby was born, the ****ers took the baby and proceeded with vaccines. The mother went ape shit at the doctors and then they threatened to take her child away into custody for her irrational behaviour if she continued.

Words can't even describe how much this enrages me.

And yea, forget people having direct experiences with changing their diet and health around completely. People suffering with heart disease and then through changing to things such as a vegan diet completely REVERSING the effects of their disease.

Most of these fake "scientists" and "professors" are egotistical morons, pill salesman and are more concerned with protecting their dogmatic beliefs than being open to exploring change and alternative methods/ideas.

Let's also not forget that only a few years ago, the so called "experts" promoted cigarettes as being good for you.

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I always kind of gave you the benefit of the doubt Rep but anti-vaccine people are straight up the stupidest people on the planet.
If you think FORCED VACCINATION is moral you should reassess your life right now.

If you think doctors have a RIGHT to take a baby from its mother and jab the baby with vaccinations if the mother CHOOSES not to, you are a complete moron and it's people like you who are what's wrong with the world.

You have absolutely no right to force anything upon anyone - including vaccinations.

It all comes down to CHOICE.

If anyone tried to force my child to take something I didn't want them to, I'd beat the shit out of them.
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Old 05-01-2015, 10:01 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I always kind of gave you the benefit of the doubt Rep but anti-vaccine people are straight up the stupidest people on the planet.
Whilst I wouldn't go that far, and not wanting to derail this thread further, I never understood why a parent would not have their child vaccinated.
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Whilst I wouldn't go that far, and not wanting to derail this thread further, I never understood why a parent would not have their child vaccinated.
Maybe because they've spent lots of time researching into what SHITE goes into these vaccines and care immensely about their child's health.

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There is a reason why certain fields require years and years of study and education. Reading an article or a blog does not make you an expert. Yet people are very opinionated and pass off said opinion as fact. I would encourage you to do your own fact checking.
Instead of reading someone's blog or hearing a story from a friend who heard it from his cousin's uncle's neighbor's dog, go read the actual peer reviewed papers, look at the work that was done in order to get the results. You have to understand the scientific process and how conclusions are drawn from the results of those processes. Don't just believe everything you read/hear (especially on the internet).

Since this is an MMA forum, I'm going to excuse myself from replying on this topic in this thread any further.
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Your injecting your kid with a small bit of the virus. Bravo Clyde for another one of your worldly educated statements!
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Your injecting your kid with a small bit of the virus. Bravo Clyde for another one of your worldly educated statements!
He will obey anything the state tells him to.

He'd rather the state decided what's right for children rather than their own parents.

Adolf Hitler had a similar vision, how did that turn out?

Also, as a sidenote - doctors are trained and educated to treat the symptoms of disease and not the underlying root cause.

That's akin to giving some one with mental health problems who does self harm and cuts themselves with a lifetime supply of plasters. Treating the symptoms only masks the underlying condition temporarily - it is not a true form of healing.

Here, take your xanax and proloft to mask your depression and give you temporary highs whilst ignoring the unlderying root cause of your mental illness.

Madness.
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Your injecting your kid with a small bit of the virus. Bravo Clyde for another one of your worldly educated statements!
I'm complete aware of this. I got my BCG where they inject you with the virus. Your body is supposed to react to the virus in a certain way (that lump which every cnt loves to punch) and then they give you the vaccine for it. If your reaction is irregular, then other things need to be done (I'm guessing alternative treatments).

I don't have meningitis, so you're acting like they gave me it or some shit.

Anyways, as everyone's saying. This isn't the thread for it. If you guys want to harm your kids, you can brag about it in different threads.

(EDIT: Completely agree with you about anti-depressants though)
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The Vaccination Thread!

This is a topic that interests me quite a bit so I thought I would move some of the discussion here so it can continue.

Have at it!

Personally I disagree with vaccination being a choice if you live in major cities. Not vaccinating your children can put other children at risk. I am all for free choice, but your freedom cannot put others at risk. Your rights do not trump someone else's right to be healthy. If you want to take the risk that's fine, but it seems illogical that my child could be exposed to, let's say, measles, because you don't believe vaccinations are necessary.

Also I notice a lot of parents make the decision without considering the less scary but still valid point of the childs rights. If you don't give your child the measles vaccine your child may contract measles and suffer. The child did not ask for this. The child does not know what a vaccine is. The child cannot ask for it. The child depends on the parent to protect it.

I live in Ontario, Canada, and this is a very hot debate right now, with many parents choosing not to vaccinate their kids. In other provinces, like Quebec where things are very liberal, it is even more common now not to vaccinate kids. Guess what's been coming back with staggering increases? Measles.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...kins-1.2992314

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There were fewer than 20 cases in Ontario — in the Toronto and Niagara regions — compared to 119 cases in Quebec. Measles is highly contagious and causes fever, a distinctive red rash and a runny nose.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1809587/he...sles-outbreak/

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Toronto Public Health announced Monday that four people, two children and two adults, had been diagnosed with the measles. None of them had both vaccinations needed to protect against the disease.
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“I think what we have at the moment is a really nice balance where people are encouraged to have the vaccine and they have to make an actual declaration if they’re not going to get their kids vaccinated, and they can be excluded from school if their kids are not vaccinated and there’s an outbreak,” she said in an interview Tuesday afternoon.

I will state the obvious; I am not an an expert. I have not even done extensive research on this because I don't have children. I'm just reacting to what I feel is a genuine case of tinfoil hat syndrome where the benefits of vaccination far outweighs the minor risk of catastrophe.


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Also, as a sidenote - doctors are trained and educated to treat the symptoms of disease and not the underlying root cause.
Isn't a vaccine designed by nature to prevent the underlying cause of a disease and is thus the best possible measure?
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Old 05-01-2015, 01:02 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Funny how my not vaccinating my child has got all this reaction and yet, a fecking state health visitor telling me diet and immunity are not connected goes totally under the radar.

Your shock and horror should be at health people spouting this bullshit, instead of directing it at me and a single un-vaccinated kid. It has a far more negative impact on society. Nobody says the health "professional" is stupid or trying to harm my child with unhealthy advice. But I get it instead.

Man, people have got their shit back to front.

And thats the last im gonna say about it.
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