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In 9 69.23%
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post #1 of 146 (permalink) Old 06-09-2016, 10:21 AM Thread Starter
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UK Posters - In Or Out Of Europe?

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I've not seen a single good or rational reason to leave that has been backed up by any provable facts.

That and most of the people campaigning to leave on facebook etc seem to be the same thick racists who were lobbying for UKIP in the general election, aka, stupid people.
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Up until about 6 months ago I was a hardline IN but the more and more I read and research it the more being OUT appeals to me.

For the record my fiancee is a foreign national and we live abroad so going OUT obviously raises some potential obstacles for me because at some point I would like to return to the UK permanently. That said, fvck everything you've read part of me likes OUT because it's a once in a lifetime chance to make a big change, let's be honest all of the votes we're ever given barely make any effect on our lives but this one will, for good or bad.

Staying in is conservative, things will stay as they are, a declining boring economy slowly rolling down the road of European assimilation, the Euro, it's like we're waiting for a collapse or super merger with America (TTIP).

OUT is a risk, but that's part of what I like, roll the fvcking dice - strike the deals, smaller less powerful countries do it and have come off favourably, if you know your shit you know we are only one of three EU countries that contribute more to the EU budget of money than we take out. We only make around 40% of our trade with the rest of the EU anyway, we have FAR more trade connections globally than other similar countries within the EU.

If we really do need the EU, then you can be sure the EU need us just as much.

This is not about immigration it's about prosperity and having our own economy and controlling it in our own interests - oh why the fvck should we control our own economy, eh? Voting IN is almost about FEAR, fear of change, fear of taking the plunge, fear that you might look like a dole collecting retard to some other people who don't know what they're talking about anyway. Fvck other people, think big and take this once in a lifetime chance to make a big difference.

We will only get this chance once, if it goes tits up, worst case scenario we rejoin the EU in 10 years anyway. Don't miss this chance, it will not come around again!

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Up until about 6 months ago I was a hardline IN but the more and more I read and research it the more being OUT appeals to me.

For the record my fiancee is a foreign national and we live abroad so going OUT obviously raises some potential obstacles for me because at some point I would like to return to the UK permanently. That said, fvck everything you've read part of me likes OUT because it's a once in a lifetime chance to make a big change, let's be honest all of the votes we're ever given barely make any effect on our lives but this one will, for good or bad.

Staying in is conservative, things will stay as they are, a declining boring economy slowly rolling down the road of European assimilation, the Euro, it's like we're waiting for a collapse or super merger with America (TTIP).

OUT is a risk, but that's part of what I like, roll the fvcking dice - strike the deals, smaller less powerful countries do it and have come off favourably, if you know your shit you know we are only one of three EU countries that contribute more to the EU budget of money than we take out. We only make around 40% of our trade with the rest of the EU anyway, we have FAR more trade connections globally than other similar countries within the EU.

If we really do need the EU, then you can be sure the EU need us just as much.

This is not about immigration it's about prosperity and having our own economy and controlling it in our own interests - oh why the fvck should we control our own economy, eh? Voting IN is almost about FEAR, fear of change, fear of taking the plunge, fear that you might look like a dole collecting retard to some other people who don't know what they're talking about anyway. Fvck other people, think big and take this once in a lifetime chance to make a big difference.

We will only get this chance once, if it goes tits up, worst case scenario we rejoin the EU in 10 years anyway. Don't miss this chance, it will not come around again!
When I look about the NorthEast it seems every other project seems to be funded by the EU? UK Government do not give a shit about the north of England. They are closing museums and shit all over the place in the North while they build pointless stuff like a 175m bridge with a garden on it over the Themes.

Coming from a working class family and background I see the likes of my mates, sister, dad and others being completely shat on without EU protection. I can absolutely see us going the way of Corporate America, losing the NHS, paid holidays, maximum working hours and maternity pay.

Besides that I think its just backwards to leave the EU. We should be working towards being part of something bigger and better not taking a 50 year step backwards.

Anyway, I said UK only. You Irish prick
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When I look about the NorthEast it seems every other project seems to be funded by the EU? UK Government do not give a shit about the north of England. They are closing museums and shit all over the place in the North while they build pointless stuff like a 175m bridge with a garden on it over the Themes.

Coming from a working class family and background I see the likes of my mates, sister, dad and others being completely shat on without EU protection. I can absolutely see us going the way of Corporate America, losing the NHS, paid holidays, maximum working hours and maternity pay.

Besides that I think its just backwards to leave the EU. We should be working towards being part of something bigger and better not taking a 50 year step backwards.

Anyway, I said UK only. You Irish prick
EU grants to regions of the UK is British tax anyway, we stick 50 quid into the coffers and get a tenner back, the other 40 goes to other areas of the EU than need it more, regions of Greece and Latvia etc are much poorer than Durham and Northumberland, that is why we contribute more than we take.

I think you have it backwards, within the EU we will lose the NHS - this process is already underway (my mam is a nurse btw), as the EU creeps ever closer to TTIP the influence of America will only grow, more multinationals with stringent regulations and ridiculous hours and wages discarding employees like pieces of shit, local business cannot compete with the big money American companies we see everywhere now, wouldn't it be nice to address the balance a little? Or at least implement rules that benefit us and not just big money? At least a little bit? We are unable to do that in the EU because the rulebook is written in Brussels.

Depends what you mean by backwards. The fact is the EU is backward, if you think of the EU as one country for example, you have the UK, Germany, Slovenia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Estonia etc the gulf between UK and Romania is gigantic it's not like London to Rochdale, you're talking actual wood shacks and dirt roads.

The EU's longterm goal is to address the balance so it is a single block of power, take money from the prosperous areas and build up the poorer areas until we're balanced. Being from a poor area (UK terms not Lithuania terms) myself I think this is the right time to opt out and try ourselves, once again this is a one off chance to make a change and I really hope we're brave enough to go for it.

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None of the shite ever changes. Half of these votes are to feel good about yourself.

That being said, if I'm right, the outcome of this (one of the ways) has the potential to force a Scottish referendum...so vote that way
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None of the shite ever changes. Half of these votes are to feel good about yourself.

That being said, if I'm right, the outcome of this (one of the ways) has the potential to force a Scottish referendum...so vote that way
We can't be scared of this either. Scotland would need the EU because they'd be a small nation of 5 million, they'd stick there 20 quid in and expect 30 back. If the UK (or England in this scenario) were not one of just 3 nations to put more in than they take, the benefits to small countries joining the EU wouldn't be as pronounced. Scotland has some good natural resources which would effectively be sold to EU partners at a pre-agreed "fair" price. Just saying.

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We can't be scared of this either. Scotland would need the EU because they'd be a small nation of 5 million, they'd stick there 20 quid in and expect 30 back. If the UK (or England in this scenario) were not one of just 3 nations to put more in than they take, the benefits to small countries joining the EU wouldn't be as pronounced. Scotland has some good natural resources which would effectively be sold to EU partners at a pre-agreed "fair" price. Just saying.
It's hardly gonna become a third world country. This shite never changes so may as well vote for what makes you feel the most positive.
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