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Old 10-18-2007, 05:13 PM   #11 (permalink)
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DNA and biology aside, has anyone taken into consideration the societies, lifestyles and upbringins of these certain races?

So from what I believe is that he surveyed people from their geographic standpoints, so for example he studied Africans straight from Africa, or recent emmigrated or short lineages.

But IMO I think its really Nature vs Nurture with Nurture coming out on top. Chinese kids are great at math because they have a very complex culture and way of doing things, thus it has been engrained in their way of upbringing and it is ultimately how they rear their children. Now if you take a hand full of Chinese infants and bring them to Souther US and raise them like you would any other child there, Im sure their results would be rather uniform with the other kids.

But heres the tricky part, and Im not sure how to say this the best way I can but, what if after all of these years and considering cultures and lifestyles that this differentiating intelligence has been encoded into our genetics and that yes, after a while you will start to see variations in different race's genetics?

PS: sorry, Im not very good at conveying my thoughts into words...
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Old 10-18-2007, 05:37 PM   #12 (permalink)
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DNA and biology aside, has anyone taken into consideration the societies, lifestyles and upbringins of these certain races?

So from what I believe is that he surveyed people from their geographic standpoints, so for example he studied Africans straight from Africa, or recent emmigrated or short lineages.

But IMO I think its really Nature vs Nurture with Nurture coming out on top. Chinese kids are great at math because they have a very complex culture and way of doing things, thus it has been engrained in their way of upbringing and it is ultimately how they rear their children. Now if you take a hand full of Chinese infants and bring them to Souther US and raise them like you would any other child there, Im sure their results would be rather uniform with the other kids.

But heres the tricky part, and Im not sure how to say this the best way I can but, what if after all of these years and considering cultures and lifestyles that this differentiating intelligence has been encoded into our genetics and that yes, after a while you will start to see variations in different race's genetics?

PS: sorry, Im not very good at conveying my thoughts into words...
That's what I think, although I do think this guy has an interesting theory. But what you just posted is basically what most people believe.

The best way to find out, would be to take a shitload of Chinese kids and switch them with a shitload of southern US white kids. If the white kids do as good as the Chinese kids in test scores, while living in China, and the Chinese kids are just as dumb as the southern US kids, while living in southern US, then I guess we are right. But if not, this DNA pioneer may have a good theory going.


You make a good point about the Chinese though. Their language is extremely complex, one of the hardest to learn in all of the world, so with that they learn math easier, as well as other things. But the fact that their parents can teach their toddlers this crazy language, goes with the DNA/Intelligence theory. Could you teach a little white kid in Ohio to speak that language fluently before he turns 7? Or is it easier for the Chinese kid to learn because he is genetically more intelligent? Why do whites and blacks have such a simple and ignorant sounding dialect? Why are they so much more lazy with their dialect than the Asian and Arabic races? Could it be that they (whites and blacks) can't help it?

Is it really a coincidence that Asians always score higher in tests? Is it a coincidence that blacks tend to all make similar life choices and are generally unoriginal? Is it a coincidence that whites tend to all be self-righteous in some way, critical of others, and a bit greedy? Are these ALL results of upbringing? Surely if that were true then it wouldn't be so black and white? (edit: no pun intended)

I'm just thinking out loud. Don't think that just because I typed it out that I believe it. It doesn't have to be either or. Both theories could be right. Maybe the DNA specialist is right, but only to a certain extent, and the generally accepted theory is still valid. That's the thing about debating theories. People wanna automatically think that it has to be either or, when it is more likely that it is a mixture of both, otherwise we wouldn't have the evidence to support each theory to begin with. They both have to have SOME truth to them, otherwise they wouldn't be a valid theory worth debating in the first place..
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Old 10-18-2007, 05:53 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Besides what jamaya says, from what I gather from his research, is he is choosing specific gene pools and applying across the board to all people of that race.
It's really odd he would come to this conclusion and especially that he would use the term race at all. This guy was the head of the human genome project and was there when crick and wilkins discovered DNA was a double helix. It's dissapointing such a great scientist would say this =( .
Well if you're right about him choosing specific gene pools and applying it across the board...that's kinda faulty but at the same time it doesn't make it false. It would take a really long time to find each gene pool of every potential type of human on earth. So if he is delving into the gene pool of a eastern Chinese subject, and applies his findings to all of China, yea it would be a bit faulty but it wouldn't make the original finding of a DNA difference untrue. It's just that it would take a really long time to gather all the DNA samples from every region of the world in order to correctly apply the findings. In due time it can happen though. But for now the study is in its infancy and while he is wrong for generalizing, the findings are still there that YES there are differences in the DNA. It's just a matter of putting them into the correct groups. He can't do samples of people from Zimbabwe and then say ALL black people apply to those findings, no. But that's not what is important right now, what's important is the findings themselves.
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exactly. education education education. it isn't just what you learn in a school, but what your parents teach, what they stress, what they see as vital and important. as well as what your society and culture expects of you. it's like saying asian people are smarter than everyone else. they aren't, it's just that their society stresses, above all else, education and intellegence!

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exactly. education education education. it isn't just what you learn in a school, but what your parents teach, what they stress, what they see as vital and important. as well as what your society and culture expects of you. it's like saying asian people are smarter than everyone else. they aren't, it's just that their society stresses, above all else, education and intellegence!

everything we do, are, and think comes down to what and how we were taught!!!
Yes you are right but what is it about the Asians that give them the ability to educate their kids that way to begin with? Wouldn't you say that it would take a certain amount of intelligence to be able to have millions of people of the same race all raising their children to be so smart? Where did that intelligence come from? Their parents? Okay, so where did it originate from? Why is it just THEIR culture?
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You make a good point about the Chinese though. Their language is extremely complex, one of the hardest to learn in all of the world, so with that they learn math easier, as well as other things. But the fact that their parents can teach their toddlers this crazy language, goes with the DNA/Intelligence theory. Could you teach a little white kid in Ohio to speak that language fluently before he turns 7? Or is it easier for the Chinese kid to learn because he is genetically more intelligent? Why do whites and blacks have such a simple and ignorant sounding dialect? Why are they so much more lazy with their dialect than the Asian and Arabic races? Could it be that they (whites and blacks) can't help it?

Well as far as Chinese goes, their grammar structure is MUCH MUCH simpler than English... but yes their writing system is complex since it has no system at all (no alphabet or shortcuts aside from the stroke order that has been drilled in their heads)

This coming from an asian who is pretty much an American all his life. All of my brothers who were Vietnamese natives always had a higher level of logics than I do so they excelled in math. But I seem to be the most artistic out of the whole family. My whole family sees things in a logical and textual manner where I see almost everything in a visual and abstract manner. I hope this helps your research.

Edit Note: AHH COMPLETELY FORGOT... I need to add that most other countries outside the U.S. has VERY LITTLE opportunities compared to the U.S. so those outside the U.S. do feel pressured to excel so they can have some opportunity outside their countries.

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Yes you are right but what is it about the Asians that give them the ability to educate their kids that way to begin with? Wouldn't you say that it would take a certain amount of intelligence to be able to have millions of people of the same race all raising their children to be so smart? Where did that intelligence come from? Their parents? Okay, so where did it originate from? Why is it just THEIR culture?
Asians are not more intelligent by any means. They are just more dedicated, and work harder. Historically, Asia was never a powerful, smart, or innovative part of the world. They really became a true force when shown the technology, government, and ways of western civilization.
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Yes you are right but what is it about the Asians that give them the ability to educate their kids that way to begin with? Wouldn't you say that it would take a certain amount of intelligence to be able to have millions of people of the same race all raising their children to be so smart? Where did that intelligence come from? Their parents? Okay, so where did it originate from? Why is it just THEIR culture?
not at all. it's just what their culture has grown to stress and value. you can't say they're inherently more smart because they're smart enough to value smartness...

just like some cultures find things taboo that others don't. cultures value different things. i mean, when you force-feed your kids physics at age 5, you're going to get a more intellegent person. people forget that all kids are black holes of knowledge. you can teach them anything and everything if you just give them credit. in the west, we tell our kids they're dumb and that they don't know anything till they're adults, as if you become smart at 18--or some other arbitrary number. if you teach a kid 4 languages, they'll learn 4 languages. sure geniuses are born in all cultures, but cultures stress what they value, and their children develop in the way they want. we have more kids that become sports stars than prolly any other country, because we value, above all else, sports. way more so than education and smarts. that right there shows the whole situation!


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Asians are not more intelligent by any means. They are just more dedicated, and work harder. Historically, Asia was never a powerful, smart, or innovative part of the world. They really became a true force when shown the technology, government, and ways of western civilization.
I just wanna clarify that I didn't mean Asians were more intelligent as in "they were born with the ability to learn math easier"...I'm not saying that at all. What I am saying is that maybe they are born with something about them that makes them want to learn more than other races. But like I said you guys are probably right it is probably just upbringing, you all make good points.
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you can't say they're inherently more smart because they're smart enough to value smartness...
It may sound silly to say that, but why can't I say it? It could be true, as silly as it sounds, it makes sense in a way.
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