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Old 09-27-2006, 03:04 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Oh yeah, you keep saying that Jens Pulver and Yves Edwards were beat by Prides top LW's, didnt Gomi get beat by BJ Penn? didnt Sakuri get blasted by Matt Hughes? So whats your point?
hughes and penn are welterweights, so that is completely irrelevant.
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Old 09-27-2006, 03:09 PM   #12 (permalink)
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chuck is only considered #1 by american magazine publishers. Shogun has beaten the #4,5, 6, and 8th best 205ers. While chuck has beaten the #7, 8, and #9 205ers, yet people still rank chuck ahead?

If chuck and shogun fought, shogun would be a 3-1 favourite.

Fedor beating nog twice and cro cop is better than the cans that arlovski beat, same with sylvia. His record is superior, why dont u get it.
hahahaha nice try!! "american magazine publishers" haha where did you get that one? hahahaha! sorry bud the polls I read are voted on by fighters in UFC and PRide and he is always at the #1 spot. Let me tell you how that fight would go, Shogun would come in all wild and open and Chuck would put him to sleep.

Ok so Fedor has 3 Legit victories but the overwhelming number of no-bodies counters that. Seriously, why dont you get it? If I go kick the crap out of a bunch of middle-school kids, does that make me #1 in the world? If the answer is yes then I will be visiting a local middle school very soon.
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Old 09-27-2006, 03:13 PM   #13 (permalink)
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hahahaha nice try!! "american magazine publishers" haha where did you get that one? hahahaha! sorry bud the polls I read are voted on by fighters in UFC and PRide and he is always at the #1 spot. Let me tell you how that fight would go, Shogun would come in all wild and open and Chuck would put him to sleep.

Ok so Fedor has 3 Legit victories but the overwhelming number of no-bodies counters that. Seriously, why dont you get it? If I go kick the crap out of a bunch of middle-school kids, does that make me #1 in the world? If the answer is yes then I will be visiting a local middle school very soon.
no its not a nice try, japanese magazines rank shogun at #1, your analysis of the fight is a joke too. Shogun would come in wild and chuck would put him to sleep. See this is why your hard to debate with, you love the ufc fighters and dont know anything about pride fighters, its getting very stupid.

Tim sylvia has beaten 20 nobodies and fedor has beat nog and cro cop, still dont get why you're debating it.

chuck hasnt beat the #2-#5, and he got his ass kicked by quinton, yet he's #1. Sure buddy.
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for someone to say fedor's record is a joke..that person cant be taken serious..i agree with what ur both saying, but i think brown pimp is taking it to cbingham a lil bit..the depth in prid eis so much greater ufc has 1-2 good fighters in every division except the welterweight divsion..pride simply has more quality fighters..and agree with ahogun being favored to beat liddell, but not 3-1...i bet it would be like bet 160-100 on shogun, 100-145 on liddell
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Old 09-27-2006, 03:24 PM   #15 (permalink)
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no its not a nice try, japanese magazines rank shogun at #1, your analysis of the fight is a joke too. Shogun would come in wild and chuck would put him to sleep. See this is why your hard to debate with, you love the ufc fighters and dont know anything about pride fighters, its getting very stupid.

Tim sylvia has beaten 20 nobodies and fedor has beat nog and cro cop, still dont get why you're debating it.

chuck hasnt beat the #2-#5, and he got his ass kicked by quinton, yet he's #1. Sure buddy.
Where is this Japanese magazine? are you Japanese?
Its not getting stupid. Shogun has sloppy stand-up just like Vanderlei, the remedy to their style of fighting is a striaght punch, while they are trying to throw those wide haymekers. How is that a joke? Thats what Vitor did to Vanderlei. And if you look at Chuck's fights, he gets the majority of his KO's by counterpunching. And Chuck has beaten FAR better competition, he beat a #1 Randy Couture twice, he beat Vitor Belfort, He beat Tito Ortiz when Tito was just dethroned from the #1 spot, He beat Babalu twice, and Babalu was ranked in the top ten both times.

And I am not talking about Tim Sylvia for the last time! I am talking about Fedor! your god. Thats why you are difficult to deal with, you just assume your oppinion is fact! "Fedor is the best, and you are stupid for questioning that" well I have brought up a very valid point, that you have no answer for.
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for someone to say fedor's record is a joke..that person cant be taken serious..i agree with what ur both saying, but i think brown pimp is taking it to cbingham a lil bit..the depth in prid eis so much greater ufc has 1-2 good fighters in every division except the welterweight divsion..pride simply has more quality fighters..and agree with ahogun being favored to beat liddell, but not 3-1...i bet it would be like bet 160-100 on shogun, 100-145 on liddell
Then tell me why 3 out of five weight classes are topped by a UFC fighter. Even though "pride has more depth" that doesnt make any sense at all! Your Idea of depth is a bunch of A class guys beating up on a bunch of poor B class new comers. I have seen guys make their MMA debut in Pride, I have seen Sumo Wrestlers in Pride, I have seen so many one dimensional guys in Pride, and we have all seen those poor outmatched Japanese new comers getting pounded by your A list guys. You dont see any of that in the UFC, so how do you call that depth? really?
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fedor has beaten everyone put in front of him, he redeemed him self after that flying elbow..and has simply destryed everyone in his path, schilt, randleman, coleman, ogawa, crocop, nog, herring..find me a current heavyweight that has beaten tougher guys...
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Where is this Japanese magazine? are you Japanese?
Its not getting stupid. Shogun has sloppy stand-up just like Vanderlei, the remedy to their style of fighting is a striaght punch, while they are trying to throw those wide haymekers. How is that a joke? Thats what Vitor did to Vanderlei. And if you look at Chuck's fights, he gets the majority of his KO's by counterpunching. And Chuck has beaten FAR better competition, he beat a #1 Randy Couture twice, he beat Vitor Belfort, He beat Tito Ortiz when Tito was just dethroned from the #1 spot, He beat Babalu twice, and Babalu was ranked in the top ten both times.

And I am not talking about Tim Sylvia for the last time! I am talking about Fedor! your god. Thats why you are difficult to deal with, you just assume your oppinion is fact! "Fedor is the best, and you are stupid for questioning that" well I have brought up a very valid point, that you have no answer for.
there are japanese magazines u moron, and there are magazines that still rank shogun #1.

When did u come to terms that shogun has sloppy stand up, its sharp and accurate you idiot. He didnt look sloppy against rampage, arona and overeem. Randy wasnt #1 when chuck beat him in 2006, babalu wasnt top 10 when chuck beat him in 2002, tito wasnt top 5 in 2004. You seriously need to do your homework.

The rankings in 2004 were like this
1. wanderlei
2. randy
3. quinton
4. chuck
5. lil nog
6. tito

Shogun beat 4 out of the current top 10 and his wins are higher in rankings, the other guy just called u a joke too. I dont even know what you're proving with the fedor argument, slyvia has beaten weaker competiton.
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rampage wasnt even a top 5 LHW in pride and look what he did to the ufc golden boy..MASSACRE..did u see what shogun did to rampage complete destruction, and for you to say Shogun is sloppy with his striking like Wandy is crazy..thats why shogun has never been KO'd and has a list of KO victims..not only that but Shoguns ground game is 100% better than Chucks..and the middleweight divsion is a joke, its Franklin and all mediocre fighters, and forget the heavys thats a joke..Jeff monson is gettin a title shot , that guy has never beaten anyone in his whole career, he has an impressive record of losing to LHW's tho..
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rampage wasnt even a top 5 LHW in pride and look what he did to the ufc golden boy..MASSACRE..did u see what shogun did to rampage complete destruction, and for you to say Shogun is sloppy with his striking like Wandy is crazy..thats why shogun has never been KO'd and has a list of KO victims..not only that but Shoguns ground game is 100% better than Chucks..and the middleweight divsion is a joke, its Franklin and all mediocre fighters, and forget the heavys thats a joke..Jeff monson is gettin a title shot , that guy has never beaten anyone in his whole career, he has an impressive record of losing to LHW's tho..
dont worry man, we know this guy is a joke. let him stay in denial.
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