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Cbingham 09-27-2006 11:26 AM

UFC/Pride Debate
 
I dont get it! someone please explain it to me! I had a debate going on with brownpimp, after a few days MMAFreak closed the thread and declared brownpimp the winner. Well I dont see that its over at all! Brownpimp barely even posted in there, and when he did they were short un-explained oppinions. At least I took the time to explain why I felt the way I did, all Brownpimp did was say Pride has better divisions, and say I was crazy for thinking otherwise! And If there is to be a winner declared, brownpimp basically submitted, he didnt even put up a fight! this is BS and I want the thread re-opened! Plus MMAFreak should not be able to judge it anyway, He and brownpimp and good friends, maybe a bit biased? I think so!

So whoever reads this, please tell me, (whether you agree with my arguments or not) do you think that debate was over?

pt447 09-27-2006 11:28 AM

i kinda think MMAfreak is a little immature to be a mod. i didn't think the thread should have been closed... i mean, just cause you didn't respond in it every second... hey, just start another one yourself.. you do have that power!

Cbingham 09-27-2006 11:35 AM

Yes I know, but its the principal of it. MMAFreak just cuts it off and declares a winner.

brvheart 09-27-2006 11:46 AM

someone link me to the thread in question please....

Cbingham 09-27-2006 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brvheart
someone link me to the thread in question please....

http://www.mmaforum.com/mma-forum-lo...-new-post.html

brownpimp88 09-27-2006 01:37 PM

evil, ptt447 and mma freak agreed with me while tlb only agreed with you.

Its impossible to deal with you anyways, i mean if i bring up arona, lil nog and wanderlei you act like they didnt accomplish shit. Even though all of them have been better than tito ortiz for the last 5 years. There is a reason why they are ranked higher.

I clearly state that pride has 8 out of the top 10 heavyweights in the world, yet that wasnt clear enough for you. Cro Cop and Nog are both better than andrie arlovski and tim sylvia, i dont even have to bring fedor into this topic. You downplay the fighters that fedor beat, let me ask you a question? Who the **** has jeff monson beat, who the **** has brandon vera beat, besides tim sylvia who else has frank mir beat, all of frank mir's wins are against nobodies.

Josh barnett has beat nog, alex, hunt, all top 10 fighters. He also holds wins against coture, nakamura, schilt twice and dan severen. Lets compare that to andrie arlovski's wins, he beat slyvia once, vlady once and paul beuntelo. Seriously its a joke to compare these two. arlovski is 9-5 with 3 KO losses.


Then you try and tell me that jens pulver, yves edwards, joe stevenson and melvin guillard are superior to pride's lightweights, this was also a big joke. Let's see, edwards and pulver already got ko'd by pride's top fighters. Melvin guillard has never beaten a top 10 opponent and joe stevenson's biggest win is against yves. On the othert hand, pride's fighters have been top 10 ranked for the last 4 years and they have been world champions in shooto.

Now i guarantee you'll make a reply tyring to downplay the pride lightweights even though they have more solid wins than any of the ufc's lightweights.

pt447 09-27-2006 01:38 PM

i did agree with brownpimp, but i also didn't think there was a reason to close the thread. if anything, MMAfreak should close that stupid-ass poster of the month thread, since all it was was him and Luv slap-fighting!!!

Cbingham 09-27-2006 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brownpimp88
evil, ptt447 and mma freak agreed with me while tlb only agreed with you.

Its impossible to deal with you anyways, i mean if i bring up arona, lil nog and wanderlei you act like they didnt accomplish shit. Even though all of them have been better than tito ortiz for the last 5 years. There is a reason why they are ranked higher.

I clearly state that pride has 8 out of the top 10 heavyweights in the world, yet that wasnt clear enough for you. Cro Cop and Nog are both better than andrie arlovski and tim sylvia, i dont even have to bring fedor into this topic. You downplay the fighters that fedor beat, let me ask you a question? Who the **** has jeff monson beat, who the **** has brandon vera beat, besides tim sylvia who else has frank mir beat, all of frank mir's wins are against nobodies.

Josh barnett has beat nog, alex, hunt, all top 10 fighters. He also holds wins against coture, nakamura, schilt twice and dan severen. Lets compare that to andrie arlovski's wins, he beat slyvia once, vlady once and paul beuntelo. Seriously its a joke to compare these two. arlovski is 9-5 with 3 KO losses.


Then you try and tell me that jens pulver, yves edwards, joe stevenson and melvin guillard are superior to pride's lightweights, this was also a big joke. Let's see, edwards and pulver already got ko'd by pride's top fighters. Melvin guillard has never beaten a top 10 opponent and joe stevenson's biggest win is against yves. On the othert hand, pride's fighters have been top 10 ranked for the last 4 years and they have been world champions in shooto.

Now i guarantee you'll make a reply tyring to downplay the pride lightweights even though they have more solid wins than any of the ufc's lightweights.


You keep using that top ten ranking as your sheild, but if you look at it, 3 out of 5 weight classes are topped with a UFC fighter! so F-ing what if you have the #2 or #8 guys the top ones are UFC guys. Now, most of those polls are voted on by fighters, If Pride had the better divisions then why are their guys not on top? Tell me that! doesnt make much sense to me! Thats like saying That a college quarterback is better than a NFL quarterback due to level of competition! get what I am saying. Pride has a #1 spot in the HW division, which I can unerstand. But the light weight division in the UFC was basically non-existant until recent UFC cards, so look for that one to change.

Here is the differnece between Fedor's record and Sylvia or AA's record, I am not saying that they are the best in the world. You claim Fedor is the best, yet his record is a JOKE and absolute JOKE.

Cbingham 09-27-2006 01:59 PM

Oh yeah, you keep saying that Jens Pulver and Yves Edwards were beat by Prides top LW's, didnt Gomi get beat by BJ Penn? didnt Sakuri get blasted by Matt Hughes? So whats your point?

brownpimp88 09-27-2006 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cbingham
You keep using that top ten ranking as your sheild, but if you look at it, 3 out of 5 weight classes are topped with a UFC fighter! so F-ing what if you have the #2 or #8 guys the top ones are UFC guys. Now, most of those polls are voted on by fighters, If Pride had the better divisions then why are their guys not on top? Tell me that! doesnt make much sense to me! Thats like saying That a college quarterback is better than a NFL quarterback due to level of competition! get what I am saying. Pride has a #1 spot in the HW division, which I can unerstand. But the light weight division in the UFC was basically non-existant until recent UFC cards, so look for that one to change.

Here is the differnece between Fedor's record and Sylvia or AA's record, I am not saying that they are the best in the world. You claim Fedor is the best, yet his record is a JOKE and absolute JOKE.

chuck is only considered #1 by american magazine publishers. Shogun has beaten the #4,5, 6, and 8th best 205ers. While chuck has beaten the #7, 8, and #9 205ers, yet people still rank chuck ahead?

If chuck and shogun fought, shogun would be a 3-1 favourite.

Fedor beating nog twice and cro cop is better than the cans that arlovski beat, same with sylvia. His record is superior, why dont u get it.


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