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Old 05-28-2008, 06:13 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I think he is referring to Bush before the Iraq war when he didn't realize what would happen after we took Saddam out of power.
Its McCain, who has admitted he doesn't know much about the economy of the health care system. And in 2003, he messed up several times by referring to Shia's when he meant Sunni's and vise versa...and it wasn't a whoops-type moment...he really didn't realize the difference.
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Its McCain, who has admitted he doesn't know much about the economy of the health care system. And in 2003, he messed up several times by referring to Shia's when he meant Sunni's and vise versa...and it wasn't a whoops-type moment...he really didn't realize the difference.
Didn't they ask a lot of senate and congress men and women what the difference was between the two? I remember a lot of them not knowing.
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Old 05-29-2008, 04:23 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Didn't they ask a lot of senate and congress men and women what the difference was between the two? I remember a lot of them not knowing.
Yeah, its pretty pathetic that some of these people lead our country. Its pretty important to understand the distinct differences between Shia and Sunni Muslims when we're in the middle of their civil war.
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A politician.... Lying? Say it ain't so
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Seriously. Lying? You mean like how we were told about WMD's and the Iraq-Al Qaeda connection?
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I understand that they didn't find and WMD's in Iraq, but why would the UN and other nations put sanctions on Iraq if they didn't have any?
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I understand that they didn't find and WMD's in Iraq, but why would the UN and other nations put sanctions on Iraq if they didn't have any?
The WMD resolution was passed in 1991. Hussein definitely had WMDs (not nuclear, though) at the time (the US sold quite a bit to him), and UN inspectors supervised the disarmament process. Of course, he had the weapons all through the '80s and used them against Iran as well as the Kurds. Hard to say why it suddenly became an issue.

Even harder to say why Bush Sr. pushed through another $1 billion loan for Iraq just a few months before the Gulf War despite being fully informed that Hussein was using the cash to fund the invasion of Kuwait.

By the time the US invaded a second time (justified by decades old intelligence and flimsy 3rd person accounts), everything Hussein had left was useless, which the UN inspectors already knew. The problem was that Hussein wasn't completely cooperative. Of course, if the UN announced that Hussein had no WMDs, Iran would have invaded Iraq the next day and a civil war would have erupted from the 3 cultures forced under one nation by Britain, France, the US, and the USSR. And the world wouldn't exactly come to the country's rescue. So Hussein bluffs to save his own skin, not take over the Middle East.

Perhaps the hardest thing to figure out, though, is how the deaths of anywhere between 500,000 and 1 million children at the hands of the economic sanctions can be justified as a method for teaching Hussein a lesson. If he's evil, what are the nation's that promoted and supported genocide?
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The WMD resolution was passed in 1991. Hussein definitely had WMDs (not nuclear, though) at the time (the US sold quite a bit to him), and UN inspectors supervised the disarmament process. Of course, he had the weapons all through the '80s and used them against Iran as well as the Kurds. Hard to say why it suddenly became an issue.

Even harder to say why Bush Sr. pushed through another $1 billion loan for Iraq just a few months before the Gulf War despite being fully informed that Hussein was using the cash to fund the invasion of Kuwait.

By the time the US invaded a second time (justified by decades old intelligence and flimsy 3rd person accounts), everything Hussein had left was useless, which the UN inspectors already knew. The problem was that Hussein wasn't completely cooperative. Of course, if the UN announced that Hussein had no WMDs, Iran would have invaded Iraq the next day and a civil war would have erupted from the 3 cultures forced under one nation by Britain, France, the US, and the USSR. And the world wouldn't exactly come to the country's rescue. So Hussein bluffs to save his own skin, not take over the Middle East.

Perhaps the hardest thing to figure out, though, is how the deaths of anywhere between 500,000 and 1 million children at the hands of the economic sanctions can be justified as a method for teaching Hussein a lesson. If he's evil, what are the nation's that promoted and supported genocide?
I can see that explaination, but what do you mean by "If he's evil?" You don't think he is an evil man?
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I can see that explaination, but what do you mean by "If he's evil?" You don't think he is an evil man?
I don't think he is denying the evil of Hussein but merely asking what that makes the people who supported him for a great many years (like the US funding him with cash and weapons). Correct me if I am wrong Jasvll.
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I don't think he is denying the evil of Hussein but merely asking what that makes the people who supported him for a great many years (like the US funding him with cash and weapons). Correct me if I am wrong Jasvll.
US supported him during the Iran/Iraq war, but, look at the weapons Iraq used back in the 80's and ask yourself,

"Was the United States the main military supporter for Iraq? Or, if I look at these weapons and research where they came from, could I can trace them back to the USSR?"

From 1945-1991, USSR was our primary enemy. That's why we supported nations like Afghanistan when the USSR invaded.
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