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Old 06-22-2008, 01:11 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Waterboard the shit of him....I wouldn't see a problem with that. Maybe the Christians would once one of their own gets waterboarded.
Could you rephrase that? Do you meen maybe Christians would see a problem with waterboarding if a Christian got waterboarded? If so, that is probably one of the dumbest things I've read in awhile.

See, these Christians make other Christians look bad. I love how this story will now appeal to others that all Christians are crazy and intolerant.

You want harsh punishment...

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A young man, a student of journalism, is sentenced to death by an Islamic court for downloading a report from the internet. The sentence is then upheld by the country's rulers. This is Afghanistan not in Taliban times but six years after "liberation" and under the democratic rule of the West's ally Hamid Karzai.

The fate of Sayed Pervez Kambaksh has led to domestic and international protests, and deepening concern about erosion of civil liberties in Afghanistan. He was accused of blasphemy after he downloaded a report from a Farsi website which stated that Muslim fundamentalists who claimed the Koran justified the oppression of women had misrepresented the views of the prophet Mohamed.

Mr Kambaksh, 23, distributed the tract to fellow students and teachers at Balkh University with the aim, he said, of provoking a debate on the matter. But a complaint was made against him and he was arrested, tried by religious judges without say his friends and family being allowed legal representation and sentenced to death.

The Independent is launching a campaign today to secure justice for Mr Kambaksh. The UN, human rights groups, journalists' organisations and Western diplomats have urged Mr Karzai's government to intervene and free him. But the Afghan Senate passed a motion yesterday confirming the death sentence.

The MP who proposed the ruling condemning Mr Kambaksh was Sibghatullah Mojaddedi, a key ally of Mr Karzai. The Senate also attacked the international community for putting pressure on the Afghan government and urged Mr Karzai not to be influenced by outside un-Islamic views.

The case of Mr Kambaksh, who also worked a s reporter for the Jahan-i-Naw (New World) newspaper, is seen in Afghanistan as yet another chapter in the escalation in the confrontation between Afghanistan and the West.

It comes in the wake of Mr Karzai accusing the British of actually worsening the situation in Helmand province by their actions and his subsequent blocking of the appointment of Lord Ashdown as the UN envoy and expelling a British and an Irish diplomat.

Demonstrations, organised by clerics, against the alleged foreign interference have been held in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif, where Mr Kambaksh was arrested. Aminuddin Muzafari, the first secretary of the houses of parliament, said: "People should realise that as we are representatives of an Islamic country therefore we can never tolerate insults to reverences of Islamic religion."

At a gathering in Takhar province, Maulavi Ghulam Rabbani Rahmani, the heads of the Ulema council, said: "We want the government and the courts to execute the court verdict on Kambaksh as soon as possible." In Parwan province, another senior cleric, Maulavi Muhammad Asif, said: "This decision is for disrespecting the holy Koran and the government should enforce the decision before it came under more pressure from foreigners."

UK officials say they are particularly concerned about such draconian action being taken against a journalist. The Foreign Office and Department for International Development has donated large sums to the training of media workers in the country. The Government funds the Institute for War and Peace Reporting (IWPR) in the Helmand capital, Lashkar Gar.

Mr Kambaksh's brother, Sayed Yaqub Ibrahimi, is also a journalist and has written articles for IWPR in which he accused senior public figures, including an MP, of atrocities, including murders. He said: "Of course we are all very worried about my brother. What has happened to him is very unjust. He has not committed blasphemy and he was not even allowed to have a legal defence. and what took place was a secret trial."

Qayoum Baabak, the editor of Jahan-i-Naw, said a senior prosecutor in Mazar-i-Sharif, Hafiz Khaliqyar, had warned journalists that they would be punished if they protested against the death sentence passed on Mr Kambaksh.

Jean MacKenzie, country director for IWPR, said: "We feel very strongly that this is designed to put pressure on Pervez's brother, Yaqub, who has done some of the hardest-hitting pieces outlining abuses by some very powerful commanders."

Rahimullah Samander, the president of the Afghan Independent Journalists' Association, said: "This is unfair, this is illegal. He just printed a copy of something and looked at it and read it. How can we believe in this 'democracy' if we can't even read, we can't even study? We are asking Mr Karzai to quash the death sentence before it is too late."

The circumstances surrounding the conviction of Mr Kambaksh are also being viewed as a further attempt to claw back the rights gained by women since the overthrow of the Taliban. The most prominent female MP, Malalai Joya, has been suspended after criticising her male colleagues.

Under the Afghan constitution, say legal experts, Mr Kambaksh has the right to appeal to the country's supreme court. Some senior clerics maintain, however, that since he has been convicted under religious laws, the supreme court should not bring secular interpretations to the case.

Mr Karzai has the right to intervene and pardon Mr Kambaksh. However, even if he is freed, it would be hard for the student to escape retribution in a country where fundamentalists and warlords are increasingly in the ascendancy
http://richarddawkins.net/article,2202,n,n

That was just for reading about how women should be treated.

Now here is one on a Muslim who converted to Christianity yet again in Afghanistan.

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KABUL, Afghanistan An Afghan man who allegedly converted from Islam to Christianity is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and could be sentenced to death, a judge said Sunday.

The defendant, Abdul Rahman, was arrested last month after his family went to the police and accused him of becoming a Christian, Judge Ansarullah Mawlavezada told the Associated Press in an interview. Such a conversion would violate the country's Islamic laws.

Rahman, who is believed to be 41, was charged with rejecting Islam when his trial started last week, the judge said.

During the hearing, the defendant allegedly confessed that he converted from Islam to Christianity 16 years ago when he was 25 and working as a medical aid worker for Afghan refugees in neighboring Pakistan, Mawlavezada said.

Afghanistan's constitution is based on Shariah law, which states that any Muslim who rejects their religion should be sentenced to death.

"We are not against any particular religion in the world. But in Afghanistan, this sort of thing is against the law," the judge said. "It is an attack on Islam. ... The prosecutor is asking for the death penalty."

The prosecutor, Abdul Wasi, said the case was the first of its kind in Afghanistan.

He said that he had offered to drop the charges if Rahman changed his religion back to Islam, but the defendant refused.

Mawlavezada said he would rule on the case within two months.

Afghanistan is a deeply conservative society and 99 percent of its 28 million people are Muslim. The rest are mainly Hindus.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188364,00.html


Now I am a Christian, but I believe in our nation's constitution where you have the right and freedom to believe whatever you want to believe. I believe you can make your own choices and live your own life as you please, as what this nation was founded on.

There is obviously something wrong with this teacher and this will ruin his life, but I hate it when people assume that Christians are some big group that like it when bad things happen to non-Christians, but when it happens to another Christian, we somehome change our view. That is probably the dumbest statement to assume.

Anyways, sad to see these kind of things happen. Religious Extremists piss me off, especially those ones from the Baptist church that go to soldiers funerals and hold up signs saying "Thank God for IED's" "Your son will burn in hell" "God hates America".... Westboro Baptist Church. Now that's a place that needs a good ol' 2,000 pound JDAM.

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Old 06-22-2008, 01:18 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I didn't understand the point you were trying to make by posting those articles. Are you comparing Extremist Muslims' actions to Gitmo or to what the teacher did?
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Old 06-22-2008, 01:28 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Let me apologize for opening up the religion in this thread.

But that is not an ignorant point of view. Christians have always (not as a whole; just as Muslims, Buddhist, Scientologists, and other religious groups haven't) used terroristic actions to inlfuence, punish, and control others. Just try a search on Christian Terrorism. You will find similar occurences in history all over the world.

I do not truly believe that the guy should be waterboarded. I don't think anyone should. But if you are going to commit a crime (you arguably know the consequences to) you should pay the price when caught. This guy (and his ass) will be in for a world of hurt when he gets to prison, I assure you that he would if that was my kid.
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Old 06-22-2008, 01:38 PM   #15 (permalink)
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The whole point of my post was that everybody seemed to be going crazy that this guy was a Christian teacher and what he did was horrible, which is true. I just posted some articles of what happens in the Muslim world. I wasn't comparing it to Gitmo, but to the punishments that many of you wanted this guy to receive, I thought I would post of what punishments there are in the Muslim world.

I totally agree that this teacher is and idiot and deserves harsh punishment. Pisses me off that people like this make Christianity look like something it isn't.

Tiger, I just got mad when you said Christians would react different if a Christian was waterboarded. As if all Christians are for waterboarding when it is used on non-christians, but then christians would change their mind on waterboarding if it happened to this guy. I thought it was just an ignorant statement. Thanks for clarifying.
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The whole point of my post was that everybody seemed to be going crazy that this guy was a Christian teacher and what he did was horrible, which is true. I just posted some articles of what happens in the Muslim world. I wasn't comparing it to Gitmo, but to the punishments that many of you wanted this guy to receive, I thought I would post of what punishments there are in the Muslim world.

I totally agree that this teacher is and idiot and deserves harsh punishment. Pisses me off that people like this make Christianity look like something it isn't.

Tiger, I just got mad when you said Christians would react different if a Christian was waterboarded. As if all Christians are for waterboarding when it is used on non-christians, but then christians would change their mind on waterboarding if it happened to this guy. I thought it was just an ignorant statement. Thanks for clarifying.
You were right for that...I conveyed my point terribly...it was a half-ass post. No worries man, but in my experience many Christians (even yourself by relaying that article) treat Muslims the same way as my post treated Christians.
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That is ridiculous. If that was my kid I would be the new principal because i'd sue the shit out of them.
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there is a lawsuit. I hope the district has deep pockets.
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If that was my kid, I would proceed with as much possible criminal action as possible. See how much Jesus loves this guy and preaches against homosexuality when he is getting gangbanged in prison.
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