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Old 07-31-2008, 03:01 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I never understand why you people can't take a step back and look at these things objectively. I don't understand the emotional, over the top reactionary responses you have.
I don't understand HOW you can call such responses "over the top reactionary". Sure, we don't know WHY the guy did what he did, but really, there is no excuse. Did you look at 9/11 objectively when it happened? Things that are shocking and extreme, draw shocking and extreme reactions.

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Old 07-31-2008, 03:02 PM   #12 (permalink)
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If you're being serious...just shutup and stop lookin to start.
Lol I am 100% serious. I don't understand why people can't.

I've heard things way worse than this and still I don't start thinking "REVENGE! WE MUST PUNISH THE EVILDOERS!!!1"

I'm not American. so naturally I did. Not the best card to play Fedor>All.....

@ Chris and you.....I can because I am a rational logical human being who doesn't let his emotions run wild and dictate his thought process.

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Old 07-31-2008, 03:09 PM   #13 (permalink)
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who the hell decapitates someone on a bus infront of loads of people
this guy most likely has mental problems or something like that
but poor kid, just sitting next to him listning to his music and then stabbed and decapitated
i mean c'mon stabbing is shoking enough but then to decapitate him aswell and "carve up" the rest of his body is just way over the top, i hope this guy gets sentanced to death
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Lol I am 100% serious. I don't understand why people can't.

I've heard things way worse than this and still I don't start thinking "REVENGE! WE MUST PUNISH THE EVILDOERS!!!1"
I'm not speaking for the others, I'm just stating that no punishment is equal to the punishment an INNOCENT civilian needlessly and unsuspectingly incurred on a bus.

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I'm not American. so naturally I did. Not the best card to play Fedor>All.....
Neither am I, but 9/11 was more than just an American event, it was an international incident that his impacted the way everyone lives. If you can't look at the unsubstantiated loss of human life as an emotional shock, then that's your issue. People value life in different ways, but to claim a reaction with emotion is "over-reactionary" is plain ignorance. I can look at anything objectively, but when someone is guilty of something so heinous, my subjectivity kicks in because as I stated, there really is no excusable reason for such an act to be committed.

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@ Chris and you.....I can because I am a rational logical human being who doesn't let his emotions run wild and dictate his thought process.
And now you're making generalizations as to peoples' thought processes based on their reaction to obscene acts of brutal violence? Rationality goes out the window when someone saws a random person's head-off, then walks up to other passengers with the victim's skull in his hands like a trophy.

Even still, how are my emotions running wild? I'm not claiming brutal punishment should be received, I'm mourning the loss of life in a sadistic act that you're more than likely to witness on the silver screen.

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I could understand if it were something that really left room for interpretation and you felt this way, but come on. There's nothing that could be found out about this man that is going to make anyone feel what he did was justified.

It was a cold blooded attack on a naive bystander. There is no "Let's wait and see WHY he did it before we judge". It was an insane act and everyone there that day, but this man, will suffer. He seemed to be without emotion in his actions, so I have no reason to think that he'll have any emotion for what he did.
This is my point exactly.

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Lol I am 100% serious. I don't understand why people can't.

I've heard things way worse than this and still I don't start thinking "REVENGE! WE MUST PUNISH THE EVILDOERS!!!1"

I'm not American. so naturally I did. Not the best card to play Fedor>All.....

@ Chris and you.....I can because I am a rational logical human being who doesn't let his emotions run wild and dictate his thought process.
Trust me, I understand being a rational, logical person. Pretty much all of the people that know me in the real world question if I have any true emotion at all, they pretty much claim that any I show is just a prescribed response to the situation at hand.

Now with that being said, from a logical, rational point of view, when someone has shown this level of contempt for others and to do it with an obvious lack of humanity, should tell you that no matter what the reasoning behind the actions, there is nothing that's going to bring this guy back from where he is right now. And if that is the case, then there's no reason for him to be a part of society.

People with emotions are going to be outraged by someone with out them and I'm not just talking about this killer. And having to deal with people not liking the fact that you're as stoic as you are doesn't mean that you have to have the back of someone else like that, especially when you know them to be wrong.

Look at it rationally and you'll see that there is every reason for people to have the outcry that they've shown.
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I'm not speaking for the others, I'm just stating that no punishment is equal to the punishment an INNOCENT civilian needlessly and unsuspectingly incurred on a bus.
I don't really have an issue with that, other than disagreeing with it, it was more with the other two statements.

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Neither am I, but 9/11 was more than just an American event, it was an international incident that his impacted the way everyone lives. If you can't look at the unsubstantiated loss of human life as an emotional shock, then that's your issue. People value life in different ways, but to claim a reaction with emotion is "over-reactionary" is plain ignorance. I can look at anything objectively, but when someone is guilty of something so heinous, my subjectivity kicks in because as I stated, there really is no excusable reason for such an act to be committed.
A reaction to an event fuelled by emotion is over reactionary, and won't be logical.

There are plenyty of excusable reasons for commiting a crime so heinous. Perhaps this man, is, oh I don't know, suffering from paranoid scizophrenia and believed the man on the bus was an evil soul snatcher? In which case, I think it's pretty easy to justify his actions.


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And now you're making generalizations as to peoples' thought processes based on their reaction to obscene acts of brutal violence? Rationality goes out the window when someone saws a random person's head-off, then walks up to other passengers with the victim's skull in his hands like a trophy.

I'm glad you included that question mark, because no, no I wasn't.

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Trust me, I understand being a rational, logical person. Pretty much all of the people that know me in the real world question if I have any true emotion at all, they pretty much claim that any I show is just a prescribed response to the situation at hand.

Now with that being said, from a logical, rational point of view, when someone has shown this level of contempt for others and to do it with an obvious lack of humanity, should tell you that no matter what the reasoning behind the actions, there is nothing that's going to bring this guy back from where he is right now. And if that is the case, then there's no reason for him to be a part of society.

People with emotions are going to be outraged by someone with out them and I'm not just talking about this killer. And having to deal with people not liking the fact that you're as stoic as you are doesn't mean that you have to have the back of someone else like that, especially when you know them to be wrong.

Look at it rationally and you'll see that there is every reason for people to have the outcry that they've shown.

I don't think he should be a part of society, I have stronger views on incarceration(sp?) than most, I just think this situation calls for a "slow and painful death" or anyhting of that nature. The idea that it should is as crazy as what this guy did.

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I don't really think that anyone calling for that to really happen, it's just a way for the to show what level of disgust they are feeling.
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I don't really have an issue with that, other than disagreeing with it, it was more with the other two statements.
You think there's a punishment befitting of such an act?

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A reaction to an event fuelled by emotion is over reactionary, and won't be logical.
Couldn't disagree more. I definitely don't think my reaction was an "over-reaction", and I'd like for you to explain how it was.

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There are plenyty of excusable reasons for commiting a crime so heinous. Perhaps this man, is, oh I don't know, suffering from paranoid scizophrenia and believed the man on the bus was an evil soul snatcher? In which case, I think it's pretty easy to justify his actions.
That's still not excusable. There are treatments available to individuals that suffer biological/neurological disorders, but ultimately it is the responsibility of that individual to maintain their treatments for the safety of themselves and others. The man was cold and calculated in his acts almost "robotic" as people stated, there was no panic, he knew exactly what he was doing---obvious by the fact he carried the victim's head to the front of the bus.

I understand what you're saying about rationality, but suggesting that the acts taken by the suspect are "justified" by speculative and typical "he can't control his mental illness" nonsense is a complete abandonment of that ideology.


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I'm glad you included that question mark, because no, no I wasn't.
Well, maybe you should be more careful with your words when you make statements that include "you people".

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I don't really think that anyone calling for that to really happen, it's just a way for the to show what level of disgust they are feeling.
Nah, I see this too often, particularly in reaction to child abuse cases. It really gets on my nerves.

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You think there's a punishment befitting of such an act?
Befitting? No, I don't believe any "punishment" fits any crome to be honest.



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Couldn't disagree more. I definitely don't think my reaction was an "over-reaction", and I'd like for you to explain how it was.
I just stated I din't really have a problem with that statement, and it was more the other two.

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That's still not excusable. There are treatments available to individuals that suffer biological/neurological disorders, but ultimately it is the responsibility of that individual to maintain their treatments for the safety of themselves and others. The man was cold and calculated in his acts almost "robotic" as people stated, there was no panic, he knew exactly what he was doing---obvious by the fact he carried the victim's head to the front of the bus.
In reaction to all parts inclusive of this all I can really ask is what are you, ******* stupid?

Have you ever had to deal with people with serious mental health problems at anypoint in your life?

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I understand what you're saying about rationality, but suggesting that the acts taken by the suspect are "justified" by speculative and typical "he can't control his mental illness" nonsense is a complete abandonment of that ideology.
All anyone here can do is speculate at the moment. Thinking rationally, the guy who carried out these acts in this manne is almost definately suffering from some pretty severe mental health issues.

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There are plenyty of excusable reasons for commiting a crime so heinous. Perhaps this man, is, oh I don't know, suffering from paranoid scizophrenia and believed the man on the bus was an evil soul snatcher? In which case, I think it's pretty easy to justify his actions.
f he were a schizophrenic, he wouldn't have been so calm and methodical. He'd be losing his f*cking mind. So that's out. He most likely is a sociopath and thus has no sense of right and wrong. Killing people just seems to be not that important to him.
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