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post #231 of 234 (permalink) Old 03-09-2009, 07:42 PM Thread Starter
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I think if he is considered to have minimal risk of re-offending, he should be released.
The problem with that, as Aaron stated, is that the success rate on such drastic rehabilitation isn't exactly very good.

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I mean you have to also believe that rapists should be locked up for the rest of their ifes right? What about people convicted of assault? Again, I think that the severity of this crime and those like it is key to why people think irrationaly about them.
The degree of the crime will certainly effect the way people view it, but it should also be taken into account when re-releasing someone into society. A rapist and an individual who assaults people is significantly different from someone who kills and eats parts of another human being.

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Yes, but I view that neglect as symptomatic of the society we live in today.
That doesn't make it an alright excuse though.

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And we should be making strides away from that, taking responsibility and moving forward. The whole crime and punishment aspect is only one part.
Of course it is, but it's impossible to please everyone in such circumstances.

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I don;t have his file of course, but that would be highly irregular based on the information I have on him. He doesn't appear to fit that sociopathic mould at all.
The information that we all have on him? Ted Bundy didn't fit the sociopathic mould from what I remember reading about him, that didn't stop him from being a total **** up.
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I don't think it needs excuses, I think it's something society needs to face up to and overcome.

Also, Bundy really fit the sociopath model. In fact he'd be a pretty perfect contrast to draw to a guy like this.
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I don't think it needs excuses, I think it's something society needs to face up to and overcome.

Also, Bundy really fit the sociopath model. In fact he'd be a pretty perfect contrast to draw to a guy like this.
I'm just going to bow out on this one, we meet eye-to-eye in a number of regards, but we just disagree as to whether someone like Li should be released back into society. I respect your opinion, and I respectfully agree to disagree.

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I'm currently in an abnormal psychology class right now. What is amazing to me is how little treatment their is for mental illnesses, and whats worse, how little success rate their is with those existing treatments.

Absolutely we should continue cancer research...we're trying to improve the lives of someone. But compared to say our immune system, how are brain functions is about 100 fold more complicated.

The point I was trying to make w/ respect to the predispositions to disease is how far can someone blame their genetics for their own actions? That man picked up a knife and hacked up a boy. While the man clearly has some mental illness, it doesn't negate the fact that he murdered someone and should be punished like everyone else.
I agree that he should be punished, but I think our first duty as an advanced society is to try and understand/treat the illness.

This was his first violent episode...not to suggest that lessens the severity of the crime or its heinousness, but should be looked at in determining his mental health.

Genetics shouldn't be blamed or used as an excuse to get a lenient sentence. And I don't think they could successfully do that in many cases.

And the success rates for mental health illness treatments compares quite well to many medical treatments. Like I said in the previous posts.

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