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Old 08-30-2008, 12:36 AM   #11 (permalink)
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obama's one term in the united states senate and 50% throw away votes doesn't qualify him to be president.

I'd much prefer a VP who is in over her head and probably knows it than a president who really has no idea what he's doing but believes himself to be the second coming of jesus.


ohh yeah I should probably go away from these political threads again. I don't know why I keep getting sucked in.
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Old 08-30-2008, 12:41 AM   #12 (permalink)
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You are missing the point here, do you really think Obama can force this country into a Communism? After 50 years of nothing but anti-communism being stuffed down our throats? While having 50 years of pro-Christian beliefs BEING shoved down our throats? Listen if anything, this country would head into a Theocracy if these events happen.

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obama's one term in the united states senate and 50% throw away votes doesn't qualify him to be president.

I'd much prefer a VP who is in over her head and probably knows it than a president who really has no idea what he's doing but believes himself to be the second coming of jesus.


ohh yeah I should probably go away from these political threads again. I don't know why I keep getting sucked in.
Obama has no idea what he is doing? I think he knows exactly what he is doing! He doesn't have experiance in Foreign Policy so he gets a VP who is the f*ckin chairman of the Foreign Relations Comitee.
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Long story short MJ, they aren't.

Obama isn't qualified and probably never will be. At least, not to run this country. However, he is quite qualified to run Russia, Cuba, or China. I see his policies going over much more smoothly over there.
Our country is ****ed either way. Neither candidate is really the best person we need right now. Obama really isn't qualified to run the country but Mccain has some ideas i'm not too sure about.

As a country we really need to take a look at our electoral process. I think it needs to be completely revamped. It's obvious the 2 party system isn't working. Unfortunatley the big wigs won't do it because they are benefitting. To them it doesn't matter who is elected because they aren't going to be the ones dealing with the effects of it like you and I are.

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I don't understand? He was elected into the Senate in 1996.

Or do you mean for U.S. Senate? If so he's been in Senate since 04-05. Then announced his canidancy in 07. His one year anniversary was a little while ago. He spent about 2-3 years in the US Senate, which isn't that bad. On a average time scale that is pretty long.
Obama has spent 143 days as a U.S. senator. He may have been elected in 04-05 but he's only spent around 143 days in Congress for meetings and whatever else they do.


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But there is no comparison between him and McCain's VP. Here is Sarah's history in politics:

She became Govenor in the end of 2006 (She basically didn't even start doing anything till 2007). Before that she was mayor and was on a bunch of councils. But don't worry she is republican enough! She helps the oil companies as much as possible!
I would much rather pick someone who was at least a governor over someone who worked in inner city Chicago doing nothing that involved politics for most of his life. At least she has an idea of how politics works and technically has more experience then Obama even if she was only a mayor or governor.

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Further, there is a lot of speculation that McCain might pass away in office (He has already suffered from cancer). Now, if that were to happen, who would you want in Office. A President who has never been involved in ANYTHING outside of her state. Or a president who has been involved in the countries senate, AND has already shown a hint of his cabinent being involved in both foreign affairs, and a lot of experiance (Biden)
Personally i'd rather have someone with a back bone in office instead of someone who if we our attacked or something won't do anything about it. Obama's policies for Iraq and everything else won't work. You can't pull out like he wants to you have to stay the course and finish the mess we created. I also saw an article today about how he is guaranteeing he will lower taxes. I'd like to know how he plans to do that and how he thinks that will help take us out of a recession.

Our country is screwed we've dug ourselves into such a deep hole that I really don't think we will be able to get out of it. I don't like either candidate and feel like we have to vote for the lesser of two evils. That's why I hate our election process.
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Old 08-30-2008, 12:51 AM   #14 (permalink)
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You are missing the point here, do you really think Obama can force this country into a Communism? After 50 years of nothing but anti-communism being stuffed down our throats? While having 50 years of pro-Christian beliefs BEING shoved down our throats? Listen if anything, this country would head into a Theocracy if these events happen.
No I am not. But you are not getting mine. With Democrats controlling hte gov't and Obama in office, lots is possible. I would hope that our Congressmen would not go along with as blindly as many voters. But anything is possible. Is your problem with Republican policy or Christianity, because those are two separate things?

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He also has absolutely nothing to do with this election.

McCain won the nomination, didn't you hear?

And you should have carried that quote on a little further, but you decided to censor it. I put in the part about not to his own constituents. That means American citizens.
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Our country is ****ed either way. Neither candidate is really the best person we need right now. Obama really isn't qualified to run the country but Mccain has some ideas i'm not too sure about.



As a country we really need to take a look at our electoral process. I think it needs to be completely revamped. It's obvious the 2 party system isn't working. Unfortunatley the big wigs won't do it because they are benefitting. To them it doesn't matter who is elected because they aren't going to be the ones dealing with the effects of it like you and I are.
I have to agree with you there.



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Obama has spent 143 days as a U.S. senator. He may have been elected in 04-05 but he's only spent around 143 days in Congress for meetings and whatever else they do.




I would much rather pick someone who was at least a governor over someone who worked in inner city Chicago doing nothing that involved politics for most of his life. At least she has an idea of how politics works and technically has more experience then Obama even if she was only a mayor or governor.
What has she actually done besides support a bridge that the rest of the country laughed at, then when finding that out went against it?



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Personally i'd rather have someone with a back bone in office instead of someone who if we our attacked or something won't do anything about it. Obama's policies for Iraq and everything else won't work. You can't pull out like he wants to you have to stay the course and finish the mess we created. I also saw an article today about how he is guaranteeing he will lower taxes. I'd like to know how he plans to do that and how he thinks that will help take us out of a recession.
Obama is smart, he was one of the few against Iraq when it first happened. But he was for putting aggression in Darfur to help them. He supported going to foreign lands and making allies. If you really want a gung-ho president than go ahead and vote for McCain! Thats is the main issue right now. If we want a pro-aggressive president who's first plan of action is to attack an area that already hates us to our core, fine.

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Our country is screwed we've dug ourselves into such a deep hole that I really don't think we will be able to get out of it. I don't like either candidate and feel like we have to vote for the lesser of two evils. That's why I hate our election process.
Again I have to agree with you there. But damn it, why whine about it? The fact of the matter is this is the way our country is. We have to deal with that, and act accordingly. What will not voting do? Just stay silent in the background?
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Obama has no idea what he is doing? I think he knows exactly what he is doing! He doesn't have experiance in Foreign Policy so he gets a VP who is the f*ckin chairman of the Foreign Relations Comitee.
Obama doesn't have any real experience in a single aspect of presidency.

getting a running mate who would make a better president than you is never a good move IMO.
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You are missing the point here, do you really think Obama can force this country into a Communism? After 50 years of nothing but anti-communism being stuffed down our throats? While having 50 years of pro-Christian beliefs BEING shoved down our throats? Listen if anything, this country would head into a Theocracy if these events happen.
Do you really think that Mccain will force this country into some crazy religious based society? Neither scenario would happen. There are too many checks and balances to stop it plus I have faith in our society that we would rise up and overthrow the govt if either one happened.

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Yeah because thanks to Bush we are a religion obsessed society

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Obama has no idea what he is doing? I think he knows exactly what he is doing! He doesn't have experiance in Foreign Policy so he gets a VP who is the f*ckin chairman of the Foreign Relations Comitee.
I am sure he came up with that name all on his own. I am willing to bet they had never even spoken before he offered the Vice Presidency.

Look I am not saying the last eight years of a Republican in office weren't (to steal a word form Biden) abismal. But the fact remains that Obama threatens more of my way of life then he protects. Truth be told I would much McCain be in office.

And if you think it has anything to do with Christianity I suggest you visit the religion thread. I, along with biowza and wawaweewa are the dissenting opinions throughout it.
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I don't understand? He was elected into the Senate in 1996.

Or do you mean for U.S. Senate? If so he's been in Senate since 04-05. Then announced his canidancy in 07. His one year anniversary was a little while ago. He spent about 2-3 years in the US Senate, which isn't that bad. On a average time scale that is pretty long.


But there is no comparison between him and McCain's VP. Here is Sarah's history in politics:

She became Govenor in the end of 2006 (She basically didn't even start doing anything till 2007). Before that she was mayor and was on a bunch of councils. But don't worry she is republican enough! <b>She helps the oil companies as much as possible!</b>


Further, there is a lot of speculation that McCain might pass away in office (He has already suffered from cancer). Now, if that were to happen, who would you want in Office. A President who has never been involved in ANYTHING outside of her state. Or a president who has been involved in the countries senate, AND has already shown a hint of his cabinent being involved in both foreign affairs, and a lot of experiance (Biden)
i am not sure how you can theorize that this pick loses the election. what this pick does is energize the conservative base that was really not all that thrilled to have mccain as their nominee. this woman's credentials as a conservative are rock solid, and the pick is much more beneficial to his ticket than the standard rich, white guy that has been on every previous republican ticket. what would have doomed his ticket would have been picking romney, liberman, huckabee, or pawlenty. it would have been a case of same old same old versus historic ticket. now it is historic ticket versus historic ticket.

another way that the palin pick gives advantage to mccain is that joe biden, who is an animated and forceful speaker, is not going to be able to debate her with the fervor he would have used against a man. a man's debate manner versus a woman is EXTREMELY important, just as rick lazio on that. picking palin to debate biden essentially muzzles and leashes him. if he is viewed as having gone too far in a debate against her, it will hurt him.

even in the span of less than one day, the pick has already flummoxed the democrat ticket twice as i can see it. when the pick was first announced, spokespeople from his campaign immediately mocked her record and experience. what happened to not engaging in the politics of personal destruction? it was a mere two hours before obama and joe appeared on camera stating that sometimes campaigns are hair trigger, and that they compliment mccain's pick. this was a two hour flip flop. the second way the pick flummoxed them is this. if i hadn't watched obama's speech last night three times, well then i woulda missed it and all analysis of it, because the only thing on the news today was sarah palin.

lastly, i would just like to say that i am a political independent. when i was 21, i registered as a democrat, but i became disillusioned with the clinton presidency and switched to republican. since then i have become totally disillusioned with that party, and i registered independent. my only political goal is to preserve the country i grew up in and love. i was impressed with obama's speech, but i would have liked more red meat as they say. i am also impressed with mccain's pick. this is going to be a very exciting election.
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No I am not. But you are not getting mine. With Democrats controlling hte gov't and Obama in office, lots is possible. I would hope that our Congressmen would not go along with as blindly as many voters. But anything is possible. Is your problem with Republican policy or Christianity, because those are two separate things?
My problem is both. Both have a long history of using the other as a tool. Not only that but the Republicans do nothing but go for the negative of their opponent. Look at John Kerry:

Kerry was a Vietnam vetran who (upon returning) realized how bad the war was. And I think we can ALL agree the war was a horrible thing. Well when Kerry ran for president what did the republicans do:

They questioned how American he was! They said, "He was being a hypocrite"!


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He also has absolutely nothing to do with this election.

McCain won the nomination, didn't you hear?

And you should have carried that quote on a little further, but you decided to censor it. I put in the part about not to his own constituents. That means American citizens.
Well duh. But you asked what canidate has ever used Christianity as a medium, and Bush is a prime example.
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