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Old 09-12-2008, 12:45 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Of course marijuana isn't to blame I never said that i said it is a gateway drug because it opens up the possibilities. Personal choice still exists but you can't say that someone who routinely smokes pot doesn't stumble across other drugs the person may not do them but they come across them every so often. As for getting some "white stuff" of course you weren't going to do it your original intention was to buy pot.
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Old 09-12-2008, 01:02 AM   #22 (permalink)
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every person that i kno that does drugs other than weed...ALL started with weed...they try it like it and want more...ive never known anyone who started hard drugs before weed...i think weed for most people is a gateway
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I personally don't enjoy weed, but I can's find a logical reason to have it illegal as long as both alcohol and tobacco is legal. And I don't support laws that have no logical reasoning behind them whatsoever.

About cannabis being a gateway drug, there aren't many people who try hard drugs before they've ever drunk alcohol or smoked a cigarette either, so those are gateway drugs too. The fact that cannabis usage is more likely than drinking to lead to abuse of heavy drugs, is simply because of the fact that it is currently illegal, like heavy drugs, but unlike alcohol.

Heavy drugs are linked to cannabis and separated from alcohol only by law, not because of any of their biochemical properties.
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Old 09-12-2008, 05:46 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I actually agree that it should all be legalized. Although I admit that I agree with you reluctantly.

It would destroy a large percentage of criminal organizations and gangs. The only bad side is I think we could have a surge in junkies along with tax payer's money going into state run rehab programs.
Why would you have more junkies? Do you think the type of people likely to become junkies are only stopped from doing so because of the law?

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If you make it ALL legal, whose to stop little kids from using it?
Yup. Gangsters never sell to kids...

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Marijuana should be legal. However it is a gateway drug nobody just walks down the street one day and smokes crack, they started with weed.
In that case alcohol and tobacco are even more of a gateway drug as they are usually the first drug a kid tries.

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BTW marijuana does hurt you, smoking plant material is not natural and is something our bodies don't really like. Just like smoking ciggs it damages your lungs, even though pot has much less chemicals in it's material it is still harmful and recent studies have shown that there is a risk of carcinogen effects, which doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
Very true. But you don't have to smoke it.

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every person that i kno that does drugs other than weed...ALL started with weed...they try it like it and want more...ive never known anyone who started hard drugs before weed...i think weed for most people is a gateway
I know people who do pills and coke who have never touched weed.


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every person that i kno that does drugs other than weed...ALL started with weed...they try it like it and want more...ive never known anyone who started hard drugs before weed...i think weed for most people is a gateway
Thats only because weed is easier to get and more mild to get ****ed up on than any other drugs, thats why "weed is a gateway drug". Everyone craves something to make you feel different, its normal. So something has to lead somebody to weed. In most cases its medicine, cigs, or caffeinated drinks. So should we outlaw medicine and caffeinated drinks because they are gateways to weed? Everything is a gateway to something else, the "weed is a gateway drug" theory is complete bullshit. I've never done anything harder than weed in my life unless you count cigs and alcohol, and I've been smokin the ganja for 8 years. People doing harder drugs after smoking weed boils down to poor judgement and lack of concern for ones own well-being, pure and simple.
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I've never done anything harder than weed in my life unless you count cigs and alcohol, and I've been smokin the ganja for 8 years. People doing harder drugs after smoking weed boils down to poor judgement and lack of concern for ones own well-being, pure and simple.
What do you mean by harder drugs?
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Marijuana should be legal. However it is a gateway drug nobody just walks down the street one day and smokes crack, they started with weed.
Statistically speaking, that's simply not true.

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All that you have said about guns, cigs, and alcohol being bought by elders is true, but doesn't have the same effect if hard drugs were legalized and elders bought it and young ones got ahold of it. Smoking a cig for the first time and taking your first drink at a young age, isn't as bad as snorting coke, injecting heroin, or meth for the first time and at a young age.
Compared to an unsupervised kid getting his hands on a gun for the first time? That's the point I was making.

The reason all drugs should be legal is not so everyone can have them, but because this is a nation founded on principles of personal responsibility and because the 'war on drugs' has failed completely. The people that want to use drugs are using them. The people that don't want to are having to pay billions to incarcerate the users who only get new drug connections while in prison. They're paying billions for the beauracrats and soldiers who run the 'war.' More homes get robbed and the drug business is made more lucrative because the price of a fix is artificially inflated by the higher risk imposed by the involvement of the government, and again, the costs are passed on to non-drug using citizens, many of which are already living on the edge of poverty and may now turn to a chemical escape.
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Old 09-12-2008, 11:11 AM   #28 (permalink)
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to those against decriminalization of the simple possession of bud based on the 'gateway' argument, or the 'kids will get it' argument;

We could probably all debate each other until we're blue in the face. Citing the dozens of studies that show bud is not dangerous, or the hand full of others. We could look at whom funded any given studies, we could talk about how the 'war on drugs' kicked off, we could cite instances in our personal lives have been impacted by addiction or dug use. Ultimately, no minds are going to be changed so instead i'll just say this;

There are many communities in north America where blow, crack, meth, H and E are easier for a kid to get their hands on than beer or smokes. Whatever your personal position is on the smoking of bud... criminalization has not stopped people from using it, it has simply sent millions to prison, given them life-long records for the recreational use of a non-addictive and comparatively safe substance -- barring them from future employment or travel. Your taxes imprison these people... billions of dollars a year, only to have them released and in many cases given no option but to become a real criminal or a bag boy. it's a shitty system no matter which side you support.

Furthermore though... i'm no libertarian but i think they have the right idea when they say 'more freedom'. We shouldn't be limiting people's freedom based on the moral outrage of the vocal minority, or family values / religious-inspired movements. The charter of rights and freedoms (in Canada) and the constitution -- and those who drafted these documents -- didn't limit the rights of others. these documents were drafted to enforce the rights of the people on the government, vocal minority and the majority... there is something seriously wrong with a system based on these sorts of documents which works to limit what an individual chooses to put into their very own body.

more freedom. decriminalize.


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every person that i kno that does drugs other than weed...ALL started with weed...they try it like it and want more...ive never known anyone who started hard drugs before weed...i think weed for most people is a gateway
That is like saying 'every morbidly obese person i know drinks chocolate milk and thus chocolate milk has led to their KFC consumption, and eventual obesity', or one you might relate to better; 'every person i know who smokes weed, smokes cigs and drinks beer too', or 'every person i know who robs banks owns a ski mask, so ski mask ownershiip led to their bank robbing'.

correlation is not causality. otherwise beer and smokes would be the precipitate for weed use according to this particular argument.

just because someone is of the disposition that they would use drugs doesn't mean that weed introduced them to using those drugs.
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Drugs that are worse for you like cocaine, heroin, abusing pills, meth, etc.
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