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Old 09-15-2008, 09:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 09-15-2008, 10:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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And yet, the post is the only one that has published this story.

http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/th...tID%3D22243002


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I'm pretty sure he's been asked the question before. And I've seen his answer a few times.
Are you sure that he was being truthful?
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Old 09-15-2008, 10:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
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once again shortly after McCain released his exit strategy Obama released a shockingly similar one.
Really, McCain released an exit strategy? For when? (seriously, I haven't seen this)

I thought this was the guy who wanted to stick around for a hundred years and "didn't see a problem" with reinstating the draft (yes, I'm intentionally skewing his short answer to a long, cathartic audience question to make a point).


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BTW wars help the economy not hurt them. Exit a war quickly and unemployment skyrockets and sends you quickly into a depression.
Bullsh*t.

When we manufacture out own weapons and technology, employment skyrockets.

During this war, we've outsourced all of that, or bought from various arms dealers (we even openly did business with Victor Bout until a few years ago).


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Ohh yeah and no one is "ending the war" either candidate gets elected even if we get out of Iraq in their term the soldiers won't be coming home. They'll be going elsewhere.
Troops will come home. They won't all come home. Some will stay in Afghanistan, many from Iraq will be sent there, but we won't be extending tours of duty just because we need the man power.
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Old 09-15-2008, 10:22 PM   #4 (permalink)
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The thread on a messageboard at MSNBC, with a link posted too :drumroll please: that same NYP article!

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Only to the degree that I'm not sure that the world is round. (Yeah, that joke was a reference to the view)
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Old 09-15-2008, 10:25 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Iron Man, the msnbc page may well link back to the same NYpost story, but it shows that the NYpost is not the only news outlet carrying the story. There is also a link to the NYpost story on Drudgereport.com. Does drudgereport.com post links to phony stories? It is my experience that they do not.
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Iron Man, the msnbc page may well link back to the same NYpost story, but it shows that the NYpost is not the only news outlet carrying the story. There is also a link to the NYpost story on Drudgereport.com. Does drudgereport.com post links to phony stories? It is my experience that they do not.
It's a thread on a message board, not an article. Not to mention, it's only source is the article in question. You're trying to use the NYP article to prove the veracity of the NYP article. Mindblowing.

As for drudge, they post news. The fact that the NYP made the claim is enough for them to reference it. Not to mention they also posted the Obama campaigns denial of the claims, does that mean we now know the NYP article is false?
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Old 09-15-2008, 10:42 PM   #7 (permalink)
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The U.S. unemployment rate is up to 7%.
Actually, It's 6.1%. Went from 5.7% to 6.1% in August.


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[Whatever you say.
It's whatever my friend's brother (an Air Force Interrogator who can speak Korean and Arabic and is stationed in Afghanistan) said to me, not what I said.



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[Another absurd statement.

If I starve one prisoner, but feed two, that's a net gain of one prisoner! I must be a good person!
As I said before, there is BAD in EVERYTHING, but the bad tend to outweigh the good and we see it more so it paints the situation as if that is the only thing that happens, thanks to the Media. They tend to leave out the rules that interrogators must follow (but some don't, which that is all we see).

I wonder if you ever read anything about prisoners getting Diabetes in Gitmo because they are eating too much....

Straight out of the American Legion magazine. Good Article on the treatment of Gitmo Bay prisoners.

http://www.legion.org/whatsnew/dispa..._release?id=34

http://www.legion.org/whatsnew/publi...r/story?id=543

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(though, at the time, we had been in decline for two quarters),
Actually no, or we would have been in a recession, which we haven't.

And as you realized before, I know that EVERYONE, not just the U.S., is hurting, but we are definately not in a recession.
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Old 09-15-2008, 10:43 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Ironman. Nice try buddy but I realized earlier in the thread that talking sense to these right-wingers is a complete waste of time and energy.
You make a lucid and relevant post and they counter with a cluster bomb of nonsense.
Yea, coming from a guy who someone thinks the Democratic Party is holier-than-thou.

Palin's appointment is a great example of the differences between the two major parties. The Republicans are dedicated to cynical tricks and the politics of division whereas the Democrats are concerned with unity and hope for a better future.

You're clearly too naive for American politics.
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Since the 'discussions' in here are going to get heated, I think I should post this before anyone is really angry.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_126249.html

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[font="Times New Roman"]I believe in the free market, but corporate bailouts, organized by the GOP, have no place n the free market.
I'm not going to look at the roll call votes. But I'm pretty positive most, if not all, corporate bailouts have been pretty bipartisan.



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I thought that was fairly obvious.
Sorry, your Clinton reference didn't make sense to me since the SPR was started in the mid-70's if I remember correctly. Tapping the SPR would do hardly nothing to help gas prices. The point of the SPR is in an emergency. Like a war or another OPEC oil stoppage. I'm fine with tapping it during a hurricane or some other major catastrophe, but there are only about 30 days of oil in it, how much could it really help gas prices? It's purely a political appeasing move, the same type of move you disagreed with earlier.


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It isn't a matter of dictating prices (though the federal government has, historically, done that), it's a matter of confronting OPEC by dropping the market price of oil, which would force speculators to decrease the price.
You act like that would be easy to do?

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You're absolutely right that we need to utilize alternative fuels, but we need something to ease the price of oil to make a transition viable.
As we use less oil and more alternative energy sources, oil prices begin to decline. Right now oil is down some 35% right now from all-time highs. That's the only way we are going to make the prices come down, through competing alternatives.

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Obama will, as a result of ending the war
And so will McCain according to the new troop plan agreed to by the Iraqi and American governments. There is no way Obama pulls out troops a moment sooner. It's just like when Pelosi promised to do the same in 06' when she was campaigning to be Speaker.

As far as overall spending, McCain is no stranger to going after earmarks, I have much more confidence in his ability to live up to controlling spending than Obama. Especially with Obama's Healthcare plans.
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