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post #21 of 29 (permalink) Old 03-16-2009, 02:42 AM
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New Orleans wasn't hit the hardest either.... Biloxi, MS was worse.

It pisses me off that New Orleans is the forefront of the Media on Katrina, but there are other areas that were hit far worse.

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New Orleans wasn't hit the hardest either.... Biloxi, MS was worse.

It pisses me off that New Orleans is the forefront of the Media on Katrina, but there are other areas that were hit far worse.
Yeah but the vast majority of deaths were in New Orleans, so that's probably why the media focused on it.

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Yeah but the vast majority of deaths were in New Orleans, so that's probably why the media focused on it.
That's true because N.O. has a huge population compared to Biloxi's, but they still never really covered Mississippi.

But yeah, do you HAVE to write a paper about Katrina? I'd highly suggest changing it if you can because it's an overused topic.

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Yeah it is my assignment to watch the Spike Lee movie and read my professor's book and then write an essay connecting points from the two. Since making this thread a lot of the points were put into question, so now my paper feels really weak.

But the real question is; do I give a shit about my grade? The answer is no, because I'm going to pass the class regardless. So what I did instead was offer counter-points to what I watched and read, to see how my professor will respond.

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Interesting. I just watched that Spike Lee documentary about it, and yea they were given time to leave (even a mandatory evac) but a lot of the really poor people seemed unable to do so. Many didn't have cars or the money to travel away.

This is for sociology so I have to look at the racial, social, and environmental aspects of the incident.

Looking past whether the people should have left, it still remains that the relief efforts (with the exception of the Coast Guard who took the initiative and even overworked their personnel) were too slow and hung up on all kinds of political bs. On every level of the government there were big mistakes and afterward they just blamed in on each other. The mayor was scared to use a parking lot full of school busses to export citizens because he was worried about lack of insurance liability. Governor Blanco admitted she should have called for more National Guard troops sooner, but she was tied down by lack of approval from the higher ups. FEMA had shitty intel and was extremely unorganized, and Michael Brown was underqualified for the job to begin with. Chertoff hesitated to take action and declare Katrina an incident of national significance, and Bush made things more complicated by putting FEMA in charge. He also denied relief efforts that other countries such as Venezuela, France, Russia, Germany, Sweden and the Netherlands, instead saying that they could send money if they wanted to help.

Well thanks for getting my paper started, if you have any complaints or disagreements with my points then please tell me now because I'm about to knock this sucker down.
An interesting angle that you could write a paper on Katrina would be the intersection of race AND class. The way the government did or didn't **** up has been.... Rather than trying to place blame like so many arguments wind up perhaps look at who made it out and who didn't. People with money, both white and black had the means to jump in their car, chartered busses, etc and head out of town. Pay for hotel rooms at inflated rates for weeks. However, due to New Orleans' dependence on tourist dollars, many lower class people who worked in the service industires (a majority of the population living under the median income level for the city) hotel staff, tour group employees etc, were minimum wage laborers. They couldn't afford the cost of evacuation. More interestingly, for a sociology paper, most of them were strong armed by their employers. Many of their employers threatened that if the storm was not that serious and they didn't show up to work they would be fired. While a majority of those hospitality workers in the city were people of color, there is a broader implication. People of means, making $50k+ had the means to leave the city without the threat of losing their jobs. The people who were the part of the most marginalized segment of the working class could not only not afford to leave, even if they could they had to gamble their job in return for their/and their family's safety. Many of these marginalized people stayed through the storm due to the off chance that it was only a severe storm, so as not to potentially lose their future minimum wage earnings. Hope this helps
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I already wrote the paper but that's still interesting. I did not hear of any of that in the film or the book. I think I will print your post out along with stitch1z's and bring them to my class.

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by the way. If you have access to the library go to the databases "JSTOR," "EBSCOhost," and "American History and Life." Use the search terms "Katrina." THere is an assload of academic journal articles on Katrina.

In JSTOR got to advanced search and be sure to tag History, African American History, Geography, Urban History, and Sociology journals.

Katrina has been a hot topic in academia for the last few years. Race tends to be the focal point but there is a lot there. PM me if you need any research help. If you have a topic idea I can help search and send you links. good luck with the rest of the semester
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Well, you and I both know that you have to write a paper that fits into the popular opinion for the sake of not being harassed.

But for your own personal knowledge so your not brainwashed like the rest of the country has been on this matter:

I've lived there my entire life. These people didn't need to leave the state, they needed to hike a ride FORTY MILES NORTH to escape the brunt of the danger. And there were shelters set up all over those areas and they WOULD NOT turn people away.

That's what gets me in the "poor people couldn't leave" argument. THEY COULD HAVE MADE IT A FEW MILES NORTH TO ESCAPE THE FLOOD DANGER. THERE WERE SHELTERS THERE.

I lived there my whole life and the aftermath didn't surprise me a bit. The population of Southeast Louisiana has a SERIOUS problem with it's poor having a sense of entitlement without working.

All of the misfortunes were foreseen and everyone was given an opportunity to leave AND had ample warning.

Don't buy into that "those poor victims" crap. It's a lie to the extent that the government PUT THEM in that situation.

Choppers had to turn away because they were being shot at. How do you blame that on the government?

Like I said, I was there. And it sucked. Having your house flood and your neighborhood submerged underwater is horrible (which I didn't go through, just minor flooding and tree damage). But the MAJORITY of people that stayed did so defiantly. Not because they were "left behind".

Your professor's database is faulty and fed by a propaganda machine that wants to reward people for not working, sh#tting babies out, and killing each other so they can cast their vote for the next corrupt Louisiana politician.

They re-elected "Chocolate City" Nagin, didn't they?
You are 100% right on point. But people just dont understand it unless you are from the "area". The government did nothing wrong before or after the Hurricane.

Hurricane Katrina is a perfect example of what happens when people are allowed to live off the government. That is where the problem lies but the media will not acknowledge it because those people are "poor" and they need the help.
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Surf I lived in Mobile, AL at the time. I led a few individual relief efforts for families along the MS coast (under appreciated victims that suffered much greater losses then those of New Orleans) and was also an insurance adjuster after the storm...if you want to ask me some questions via PM or email I would be more then happy to help you out.

Also, don't look too seriously at any news coverage or documentary from Hollywood about the storms. There are much less bias sources out there.

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