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Recent Instance Of Human Evolution

Study Detects Recent Instance of Human Evolution - New York Times

Science... +1.

God... still waiting.


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I'm all for science, but God vs science is not my style.

I'd say God is more of a faith, as in something to look up to, to aspire to become a better person. Where your actions lead to a greater good at the end of the tunnel. It's kinda bleak with science =/

As for the article, I always find fascinating when pieces of the history puzzle become unravelled - or put together - if I should continue with the analogy.

"...showed the speed with which a genetic mutation can be favoured under conditions of strong natural selection, demonstrating the possible rate of evolutionary change in humans..."
Amazing
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I'm all for science, but God vs science is not my style.

I'd say God is more of a faith, as in something to look up to, to aspire to become a better person. Where your actions lead to a greater good at the end of the tunnel. It's kinda bleak with science =/

As for the article, I always find fascinating when pieces of the history puzzle become unravelled - or put together - if I should continue with the analogy.

"...showed the speed with which a genetic mutation can be favoured under conditions of strong natural selection, demonstrating the possible rate of evolutionary change in humans..."
Amazing
i just added the God vs science thing cause it's fun to get people's juices running...
personally, god doesn't factor into my life at all, so i couldn't care less!

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i just added the God vs science thing cause it's fun to get people's juices running...
personally, god doesn't factor into my life at all, so i couldn't care less!


Ahhh you shit disturber!
I had a feeling you wanted to stir the pot
I wonder what kind of genetic mutation speed level & "path" they will find in our generations 5,000 years from now (that is, if we haven't blown ourselves up from inevitable war that is part of our human nature, unfortunately) =/
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Ahhh you shit disturber!
I had a feeling you wanted to stir the pot
I wonder what kind of genetic mutation speed level & "path" they will find in our generations 5,000 years from now (that is, if we haven't blown ourselves up from inevitable war that is part of our human nature, unfortunately) =/
that's the thing that's so amazing... we don't know because evolution happens constnatly, and yet also in hidsight. we will have to look back and see where we came from, and our enviornmental factors.
don't forget, humans will evolve around the changes we have made in nature! think about that shit!!!!!!!!


our constant pollution and shaping of the world, will have an effect on the way we evovle to deal with it over time!

weird huh...

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that's the thing that's so amazing... we don't know because evolution happens constnatly, and yet also in hidsight. we will have to look back and see where we came from, and our enviornmental factors.
don't forget, humans will evolve around the changes we have made in nature! think about that shit!!!!!!!!


our constant pollution and shaping of the world, will have an effect on the way we evovle to deal with it over time!

weird huh...
I know what ya mean. I wish I could fast forward where they can actually pick apart aspects of the evolution, as in during our time and from, as you said, pollution, etc. and the effects from it. Yeah it's pretty nuts
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I know what ya mean. I wish I could fast forward where they can actually pick apart aspects of the evolution, as in during our time and from, as you said, pollution, etc. and the effects from it. Yeah it's pretty nuts
what's interesting is that we've been able to identify instances of evolution in other speicies, but our own journy is just marked by a few examples. this is just another one that lends to our greater understanding.

i mean, the apendix? duh

how about this... did you know that all wales have leg bones inside their bodies? why would a wale have deformed leg bones inside if it wasn't a retrograde development caused by evolutionary changes?

maybe God made a mistake?

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I really don't understand how people can not believe in evolution. Although I would like to know how evolution actually happens. You know it IS possible to believe in evolution AND god right? A lot of people feel that evolution does happen, but they feel that it is God's doing.

I would love to know how an octopus can change it's color to match its surroundings in a matter of 2 or 3 seconds. How does something do that? Does it use muscles? Mind power? I don't get it, how do you make yourself change colors? How do polar bears know to have white fur? How do walking sticks force their bodies to evolve into looking like sticks? How does it work?
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I really don't understand how people can not believe in evolution. Although I would like to know how evolution actually happens. You know it IS possible to believe in evolution AND god right? A lot of people feel that evolution does happen, but they feel that it is God's doing.

I would love to know how an octopus can change it's color to match its surroundings in a matter of 2 or 3 seconds. How does something do that? Does it use muscles? Mind power? I don't get it, how do you make yourself change colors? How do polar bears know to have white fur? How do walking sticks force their bodies to evolve into looking like sticks? How does it work?
Evolution is complex, but it's principles are very simple. over long periods of time, animals adapt to their surroundings... a good example are asian elephants and african elephants. Asian E have smaller ears becaus they live in a shadowy, cooler jungle enviornment and don't need their ears to cool them off as much. (by the way, an elephants ears are the same as a dog's tongue). African E's have huge ears becasue they live in the dry, scorching plains of Africa. Africa and Asia where connected at one point, but then split, and the two one type of elephant evolved into two to cope with their enviornment. The Asian E's ears slowly atrophed since they aren't as important.

human's have apendixes which do NOTHING, but used to. we don't eat raw meat anymore so we don't need that organ. it has atrophed and been removed from the digestive system mostly.

true, the "how" of the molecular and chemical structures is super complex, but evolution isn't. we have "black" people because they are from africa where they need dark skin to cope with the sun. scandinavians are pale because they don't need the melonin as much. simple.

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Human evolution is taking place imo, but because of the restrictions on human genome testing I believe it is too hard to find. Evolution is also i believe a very gradual thing that may only change one gene ever so often.

What I find very interesting is that human and chimps have something like 97% of the same genetic makeup...also a chimp and human blood are almost impossible to tell apart except for one chemical test...
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