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Old 12-13-2006, 07:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Global Warming - Do You Buy It Or Not?

There are a lot of scientists who say that global warming is a REAL problem in our world today. A lot of well-educated and reputable scientists say that we will destroy our earth if we keep up with the way we are going. A lot of those scientist also believe that it is too late to reverse the effects, and we are essentially doomed.

On the other hand, there are also a lot of well-educated and reputable scientists who believe that this new-found global warming pandemic is a bunch of hoo-hah. These scientists claim that our earth has undergone CO2 levels far far greater than what we are experiencing now, and that the earth ALWAYS repairs itself. There have been thousands of volcano eruptions in the past, some of which are believed to have blanketed the entire atmosphere with CO2, and the earth healed itself over time, humans and wildlife continued to live, and the CO2 eventually disipated. These scientists insist that we have nothing to worry about, and we are not going to kill of our race by driving cars and such. They say the polar caps have melted in the past, and have also been recreated after the earth healed itself.

Now, I am no scientist, but I do tend to believe that the huge massive volcanic eruptions in the past are more environmentally detromental than 30-40 years of car driving. I don't know...this subject is so unclear. There is indisputable evidence from both sides of the court, so it's hard for me to decide who to believe.

What are your guys' thoughts on Global Warming? Maybe some of you have the smoking gun I need to make my decision.
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Old 12-13-2006, 09:02 AM   #2 (permalink)
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of course it's real... have you noticed the warmer winters every year? also, how do you dispute the shrinking of the ice caps?
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Old 12-13-2006, 02:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yep! Its real. I keep hearing about ice caps melting which will eventually lead to sea levels rising.
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also, we know the world goes through periods of heating and cooling. and while we are no doubt responsible for a whole pile of the pollution in the air... this shit does happen naturally... hello, the Ice Age anyone?

but, with "global warming" the noun, yes, we are causing it and bringing about a premature rising of temperature.
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Old 12-13-2006, 04:35 PM   #5 (permalink)
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While I do believe it is real, I don't think it is as pressing of an issue as everyone makes it out to be. We as a species need to worry about the threat of eliminating our selves first compared to the world getting rid of us first. Global warming is something that could effect us hundreds of years from now, versus another global war i believe is only at most decades away
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While I do believe it is real, I don't think it is as pressing of an issue as everyone makes it out to be. We as a species need to worry about the threat of eliminating our selves first compared to the world getting rid of us first. Global warming is something that could effect us hundreds of years from now, versus another global war i believe is only at most decades away
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Old 12-13-2006, 04:38 PM   #7 (permalink)
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While I do believe it is real, I don't think it is as pressing of an issue as everyone makes it out to be. We as a species need to worry about the threat of eliminating our selves first compared to the world getting rid of us first. Global warming is something that could effect us hundreds of years from now, versus another global war i believe is only at most decades away
but if the math is correct, then how is our north pole melting away in 40 years not a pressing issue???

scinece isn't stupid... it's just extrapolated data. the earth ain't gunna cool off suddenly, so the rate of increas in temperature and knowing how much the cap melts already each year... how is that not important?

that's like saying; "well, we'll eat all the fish in the ocean we want, and when there's no more, then we'll worry"...
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Old 12-13-2006, 04:46 PM   #8 (permalink)
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but if the math is correct, then how is our north pole melting away in 40 years not a pressing issue???

scinece isn't stupid... it's just extrapolated data. the earth ain't gunna cool off suddenly, so the rate of increas in temperature and knowing how much the cap melts already each year... how is that not important?

that's like saying; "well, we'll eat all the fish in the ocean we want, and when there's no more, then we'll worry"...
I think the most important part of what u just said is the very first statement...if the math is correct...now I cant say if it is or isnt, but science is not based of of precedents or the past, but this global warming is. Im not debating whether it is occuring or not, becuase i believe it is, but we have only been recording temperatures for a little over a hundred years(world wide). The world has been around for over 4 billion years and I believe it is crazy to think that we can destroy the world in howlong we have been around. The world may change and get rid of us, but I doubt we would be able to destroy the planet as a whole. The way we know it may never exsist again, but we would never know.

But to back what I was saying earlier, I dont think global warming will really matter if the world spirals into nuclear or some other kind of war of mass destruction. That said, I dont believe either we should continue on the path we are on with the current oil consumption we are using. We do need to find another source of energy if not for the enviroment but also because Oil will run out sooneer or later and THEN we will reallllly be royally screwed.
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Hey good post.

I was actually having a discssion about this very issue not long ago. The earth has always gone through temperature changes. Always. So the idea of global warming being a farce has merit. While the other person I spoke to about this believes that there is no such thing as global warming, I think it is a little of both. What man has done is affecting the planet but at a much smaller scale than what everyone is lead to believe. I think earths' natural erosion and pressure is a big reason. It doesn't mean I think it's ok that global warming should be ignored because it is a real issue and needs to be erradicated, but I think the geological process needs to fit it in there somewhere.


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but we have only been recording temperatures for a little over a hundred years(world wide). The world has been around for over 4 billion years and I believe it is crazy to think that we can destroy the world in howlong we have been around.
Aye, exactly.
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But to back what I was saying earlier, I dont think global warming will really matter if the world spirals into nuclear or some other kind of war of mass destruction. That said, I dont believe either we should continue on the path we are on with the current oil consumption we are using. We do need to find another source of energy if not for the enviroment but also because Oil will run out sooneer or later and THEN we will reallllly be royally screwed.
But you also have to realise that we have only been burning fossil fuels for the past 150 years. Being as how that is the main argument for global warming I would have to say that it has merit.
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