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Old 11-04-2009, 08:12 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I don't really care either way, to be honest. I hate marriage in general, I hate the idea of it, I hate the foramlities of it, I hate every aspect of marriage. So, to me, gays being able to get married or not being able to is far down on my list of things to worry about.
Really? Unabashed bigotry means nothing to you?

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With that said, Wouldluv2fightu made a point that I agree with, in that gays/lesbians need to tone it down on the "I'm gay, hey look at me, I'm gay!" act, as it's not only getting irritating, but if they want to be taken seriously, then they need to take it serious themselves. They are almost turning it into some fad by the way they are handling it and trying to show it off, which definitely isn't helping their cause.
You act like all gay people are running around in assless chaps and acting fabulous, when the fact is you wouldn't even be able to tell whether or not someone is gay 95% of the time.

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If they want to be "equel", then they need to stop trying to show off their sexual orientation and act normal about it.
Why should they have to conform to what you consider "normal"? Maybe the way they act bothers you, but does that mean they deserve less rights? I mean, goths and emos bug the shit out of me, but that doesn't mean I'm opposed to emo marriage.

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I have nothing against gay people, by the way, but they will never get a full approval to get married in this country so long as they are turning it into a fad and a "it's cool to be gay" act.
No, they will never get married in this country as long as people in this country are so blinded by their religion, but that's a different thread.

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I honestly couldn't care less what people in the 60s thought or had opinions on.
Yeah, because understanding history isn't important at all and it never repeats. Ever.

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I have nothing against gay people, I never have, but they are annoying with their "I'm gay, look at me, hey look!" attitude. They are turning it into a fad, and it isn't helping their cause of wanting to get married. They need to take it far more seriously if that's what they want.
Really? Because it definitely sounds like you have something against gay people.

And are you really blaming the gay people for their "fabulous" culture? After centuries of oppression and bigotry, I think they've earned the right to flaunt without people like you bitching.
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Old 11-04-2009, 08:26 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I don't really get what's so important about marriage either, but obviously the most absurd thing about this is how people think it's their business whether somebody they don't even know gets married or not.
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Really? Unabashed bigotry means nothing to you?
No, it really doesn't mean much to me when I think the subject in general is ridiculous. I find marriage to be completely useless and pointless, thus the subject at hand "gays getting married" is far, far down on my list of things to worry about.

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You act like all gay people are running around in assless chaps and acting fabulous, when the fact is you wouldn't even be able to tell whether or not someone is gay 95% of the time.
Having a "gay pride" parade is keeping a low profile and not showing you are gay?


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Why should they have to conform to what you consider "normal"? Maybe the way they act bothers you, but does that mean they deserve less rights? I mean, goths and emos bug the shit out of me, but that doesn't mean I'm opposed to emo marriage.
"Normal" means "nothing special". Being gay, if they want it to be taken seriously, should be as normal and natural as anything in the world. Thus, showing off being gay by having large parades is not "normal", it's taking your "group" of people and singling them out from others. It attracts attention, it's a "gay pride" parade, not an "everybody of all sexual orientation" parade. Being normal means not trying to bring all sorts of attention to your group, as people who are straight don't go around having straight pride parades.


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No, they will never get married in this country as long as people in this country are so blinded by their religion, but that's a different thread.
I agree, religion is a part of it.

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Yeah, because understanding history isn't important at all and it never repeats. Ever.
I couldn't care less if "history repeats". History normally does anyways. The fact is, with religion, with the way they single their group out from others, how they are a minority, they will almost always be run over by states and their marriage laws.

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Really? Because it definitely sounds like you have something against gay people.

And are you really blaming the gay people for their "fabulous" culture? After centuries of oppression and bigotry, I think they've earned the right to flaunt without people like you bitching.
People like me bitching? I never talk about gay people, I don't even think about them in my daily life. They are nothing special nore are they of any worry from me. I am annoyed at how they attract so much attention to themselves then wonder why the hell everyone singles them out. They can do whatever they want, that's none of my business. I don't vote, so trust me, my vote isn't going against them.

However, if they want to be taken seriously, if they want to actually have states consider letting them get married, if they want to be "treated" as equel and have the same marriage rights as straight people, then they need to act seriously about it and stop putting on parades in the middle of streets. That's a fact.
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Old 11-04-2009, 08:46 PM   #14 (permalink)
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If gay people want to be taken seriously then they need to get the **** out of hollywood. Seriously the gay community is bringing it on themselves for the most part. You don't get 31 states of popular vote rejecting gay marriage based on ignorance alone. Keep that shit in the bedroom and stop flaunting it and trying to make it seem like it's cool to be gay. Just because you are gay doesn't mean you have to make it blatantly obvious to everyone around you on a daily basis. I'm not saying being gay is wrong, it's whatever, but if they want to be taken seriously then they need to get those fruity ***s out of hollywood and off my tv screen. Everyone is sick of it.
Know what I hate?! Those ******* n-ggers that flaunt there jewelry and rap about hoes and big booties. (Because we all know that represents the entire black community.) I also hate those Spanish people. You like your damn flag? You think Geroge Lopez is funny? Get the **** out of my country!

I can't believe a margianalized group of society wants to speak out to demand that they have rights too! It's like if we gave them those rights, they clearly would still be asking for them! Enough is enough, we allow you in this country, you should be greatful!

By the way, East Asians should tape their eyes open and b anyone that isn't white should paint themselves white. I'm sick and tired of them having to rub in everybody's faces that they are different. DIFFERENT IS WRONG AND I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT.
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I believe some states have what is termed a "domestic partnership" arrangement that can be put together, which confers some and perhaps, in some cases, all of the financial benefits of marriage.
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I have absolutly no opinion on gay marriage I don't care one way or the other but I wish everyone would just let them have it already cause dammit the gay community are the only ones who should care enough to drag out the issue, I mean sure you have the religious fanatics but they are a small segment the majority will just suck it up and move on.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:55 PM   #17 (permalink)
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No, it really doesn't mean much to me when I think the subject in general is ridiculous. I find marriage to be completely useless and pointless, thus the subject at hand "gays getting married" is far, far down on my list of things to worry about.
But it's not just about marriage. It's about one group of society telling the much smaller and isolated group that they are not equal. That because of one characteristic, they can't do something.

How would you feel if the subject was interracial marriage? Sure, marriage might not be important to you, but it's obviously important to other people, so the fact that these ******* dickmouths are holding them back matters.



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"Normal" means "nothing special". Being gay, if they want it to be taken seriously, should be as normal and natural as anything in the world. Thus, showing off being gay by having large parades is not "normal", it's taking your "group" of people and singling them out from others. It attracts attention, it's a "gay pride" parade, not an "everybody of all sexual orientation" parade. Being normal means not trying to bring all sorts of attention to your group, as people who are straight don't go around having straight pride parades.
Straight people don't need parades because, unlike gays, they haven't been oppressed for pretty much all of modern history.



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I agree, religion is a part of it.
It's much more than a part of it.
http://phrenologistsnotebook.com/cat...al-psychology/

Note that even when right wing politics are accounted for, religion correlates strongly with homophobia.


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I couldn't care less if "history repeats". History normally does anyways. The fact is, with religion, with the way they single their group out from others, how they are a minority, they will almost always be run over by states and their marriage laws.
That doesn't make it right.


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People like me bitching? I never talk about gay people, I don't even think about them in my daily life. They are nothing special nore are they of any worry from me. I am annoyed at how they attract so much attention to themselves then wonder why the hell everyone singles them out. They can do whatever they want, that's none of my business. I don't vote, so trust me, my vote isn't going against them.
You have it backwards. They aren't singled out because of the way they act. They act the way they do because they are singled out.

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However, if they want to be taken seriously, if they want to actually have states consider letting them get married, if they want to be "treated" as equel and have the same marriage rights as straight people, then they need to act seriously about it and stop putting on parades in the middle of streets. That's a fact.
Black people didn't stop acting black in the 1960s. They got in white people's faces. They didn't allow whites to ignore them. Gays (some of them. Again, most of them act no different than me or you) are doing the same thing.
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I honestly couldn't care less what people in the 60s thought or had opinions on.

I have nothing against gay people, I never have, but they are annoying with their "I'm gay, look at me, hey look!" attitude. They are turning it into a fad, and it isn't helping their cause of wanting to get married. They need to take it far more seriously if that's what they want.

If they wish to continue acting like that and having more reasons for states to reject them getting married, then that is their decision. As I said earlier, I couldn't care less, I hate marriage in general, but if they want it, they need to take it far more seriously and stop acting like it's a fad.

EDIT - It's not just them, by the way, most "groups" have things that hold them back or that people get annoyed with, and this is one of theirs.
This. I feel exactly the same way. I know I came off brash in my first post but I'm really getting annoyed by this new gay fad or whatever it is.

People are gonna generalize me and you and call us "bigots" just like everyone generalizes everything including us about the gays.

Every kind of person has a group of them that ruins it for the rest of them. Gays are no different. I feel the same way about EVERY group, but they are not the topic right now, so I don't mention them. If blacks wanna be taken seriously they should act normal too. They ruin it for all the black people that try to be taken seriously. Same with whites. Same with Latinos. Same with midgets. It doesn't matter though because we are talking about gays here.

I seriously don't give 2 shits about whether someone is gay or not, or if they wanna get married. I really really really don't. But that doesn't mean I have to like the ones that make it blatantly over the top obvious every single day. I'm entitled to my opinion just like everyone else. It's not like I TRY to think this way. This is how I am. (sound familiar?)If you guys like gay people flaunting their personal sexual preferences then that's you. I don't understand it but whatever that your opinion. I don't go out of my way to show my disgust for gay people and they shouldn't go out of their way to show me how flaming gay they can possibly be.

And yes I realize that *** is slanderous. It was supposed to be. I was specifically talking about the ***s on TV who flaunt it excessively and make it seem cool to be gay. Once again, I don't care if your gay. But if your gonna act like a fool about it, then I don't care about what I call you. Just like I don't care about calling a black guy who sells crack and robs people to pay for his ice and shit, a dumb n*gger. That's what he is. Even a black guy will tell you this.

If your gonna go out of your way to represent yourself and your community in a stereotypical way, then expect to be called a stereotypical name. I probably sound like a bigot to alot of you because we have different opinions, so I expect some of you to call me a bigot. I'm not gonna cry about it though.

Obviously I am in the majority on this one. Most people don't like gay people flaunting their gayness. And it's not just straight people. Ask the majority of gays (that don't make it obvious) if they like how the gays on TV portray their community and they will tell you "hell no". So all you guys acting like elitists who think you're better then everyone else that doesn't agree with you need to step back. Just because you personally can tolerate blatantly flaming gay over the top queens, doesn't mean that you're way of thinking is the only way. Everyone has different opinions and ways of thinking. I'm not going to tell the gay community that they can't get married, but I will tell them to stop shoving their gayness in my face every time I wanna watch TV. Keep that shit to yourself. Simple as that. Maybe not completely on topic but hey I'm just venting
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LOL. I'm not really worried about them converting my son, but I am worried about having to explain why some guys on TV act like fruity little fairies and some don't. What am I supposed to tell him? That it's because he's gay? That's when he gets it in his head that ALL gays act like that.That's why most average joe gay guys feel the same way I do about the flamboyantly flaming gay guys. OR am I supposed to just lie to him and tell him that he's just goofy? Cuz that gay guy obviously wants EVERYONE to know how gay he is, so it would just be foiling his efforts if I lied to the boy. I'm caught in a conundrum...and it's all cuz of that *** on tv...
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