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Old 11-05-2009, 07:16 PM   #71 (permalink)
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true that. i consider myself 'married', as do many of my friends, and do not involve the government or any church in that decision.
I can't take credit for that though...it was some comedian..I just don't remember who that I heard say it.
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:21 PM   #72 (permalink)
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So besides for arguing for the sake of arguing, what really is the issue here? Do some of you think that gays don't deserve the right to marry? Or is that some gay people give other gay people a bad name? Because if it's the latter, yeah that happens with every single group of people.

We all hate it when some doucheknob MMA fighter goes out acts a fool and people assume that all MMA fighters are like that...how is this any different?
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:33 PM   #73 (permalink)
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The age of legally drinking like most other substance laws is in the hands of the state. Don't blame the constitution of the US.

I remember the days of drive through liquor stores in Slidell at the age of 18 (16 actually but a fake ID that said I was 18) to stock up on for the weekend. Gallon daiquiris, handles of Vodka brand vodka, and all the horrible whiskey a boy could dream of.
Well it's an amendment to the constitution. If one doesn't comply as was the case in Louisiana, the Federal gov will do things like cut federal highway and road funding. We were one of the last states to comply with this federal mandate if I'm not mistaken. Or they'll just come in and start arresting folks for breaking federal law, which apparently supersedes state law. Much like the issue California is dealing with where their medicinal marijuana shops are being shut down by federal agents.

We do still have drive through daiquiri places though. Just can't put a straw through the lid because then its an open container. teehee
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:39 PM   #74 (permalink)
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The age of legally drinking like most other substance laws is in the hands of the state. Don't blame the constitution of the US.
That's right, blame Reagan for being a dick and basically blackmailing every state into conforming to the 21-year-old drinking age. At least, I think it was Reagan and I'm too lazy to double check. But, yeah, 95% certain it was Reagan.
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:52 PM   #75 (permalink)
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Second, I think MC's point that marriage is bad is being misunderstood by you. I think he only meant it as a personal choice and that it wasn't bad as much as he just disagreed with it. I am not sure where he stands on monogamy, but marriage is not the only way to achieve it.

Being in a relationship is already complicated enough. Why bring the government into it and complicate it more? I don't have a problem with marriage as I am happily married, but I understand people that do.
That is part of it. Relationships are difficult as it is and marriage is a way to make two people who are having serious complications stay together. The majority of people who get married in the US get divorced, and the majority of the ones who stay married do not stay "happily married".

My uncle was with his girlfriend for 23 years, had kids and lived a perfectly happy life. They didn't need involve anyone in their relationship, they were just together. Marriage does not make a family, nore does it make anything "official", as the majority of the time it doesn't even last. Had they had complications, it would have been been much easier than if they had been married. They could have simply split up, then decided custody for the kids, where as if they were married... I think you get the point.

I could honestly make an entire thread with many, many reasons as to why I think marriage is bad, but this thread really isn't about if marriage is wrong or not, so I'll stop there.

By reading this thread, you can see that many people here don't care either way if gays get married or not. No one here is against them getting married, that's for sure.

My opinion - I don't care. If they wish to suffer like the rest of us, let them, but if they do wish to do so, then they need to start taking it more seriously, as putting on spectacles in the middle of the street isn't helping their cause.
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:53 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Well it's an amendment to the constitution. If one doesn't comply as was the case in Louisiana, the Federal gov will do things like cut federal highway and road funding. We were one of the last states to comply with this federal mandate if I'm not mistaken. Or they'll just come in and start arresting folks for breaking federal law, which apparently supersedes state law. Much like the issue California is dealing with where their medicinal marijuana shops are being shut down by federal agents.

We do still have drive through daiquiri places though. Just can't put a straw through the lid because then its an open container. teehee
yeah LA was the last one to comply...but I think you are confusing an amendment here with an act

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The National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 (23 U.S.C. § 158), also called the Federal Uniform Drinking Age Act, was passed on July 17, 1984 by the United States Congress as a mechanism whereby all states would become thereafter required to legislate and enforce the age of 21 years as a minimum age for purchasing and publicly possessing alcoholic beverages. Under the Federal Aid Highway Act, a state not enforcing the minimum age would be subjected to a ten percent decrease in its annual federal highway apportionment.[1]
While this act did not outlaw the consumption of alcoholic beverages by those under 21 years of age, seven states and Washington D.C. extended its provisions into an outright ban. These states are: Alabama, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia. However, most states still permit "underage" consumption of alcohol in some circumstances. In some states, no restriction on private consumption is made, while in others, consumption is only allowed in specific locations, in the presence of consenting and supervising family members as in the states of California, Colorado, Montana, New York, Texas, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. The Act also does not seek to criminalize alcohol consumption during religious occasions. Up to 10 "minors" may be present for this law to remain true. If all present 18+ year olds have parental consent, the parents or guardians present in the private residence are responsible.
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yeah LA was the last one to comply...but I think you are confusing an amendment here with an act



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Shite you're right. I'm getting the damn prohibition stuff confused. 18 and 21. The first outlawing booze and the latter repealing that. I'm an idiot I just used to remember them because those were the two drinking ages that got ping ponged around. Stupid brain..

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So besides for arguing for the sake of arguing, what really is the issue here? Do some of you think that gays don't deserve the right to marry? Or is that some gay people give other gay people a bad name? Because if it's the latter, yeah that happens with every single group of people.

We all hate it when some doucheknob MMA fighter goes out acts a fool and people assume that all MMA fighters are like that...how is this any different?
The real issue is that people in this country just can't mind their own damn business. If folks would quit getting so butt hurt about what others are up to we'd all be getting along a little better I think.

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Old 11-05-2009, 08:31 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Shite you're right. I'm getting the damn prohibition stuff confused. 18 and 21. The first outlawing booze and the latter repealing that. I'm an idiot I just used to remember them because those were the two drinking ages that got ping ponged around. Stupid brain..



The real issue is that people in this country just can't mind their own damn business. If folks would quit getting so butt hurt about what others are up to we'd all be getting along a little better I think.
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the only thing about the 60's that I hate as a southerner is that the north gets a free pass...sure black people had the right to vote up there about 30 years prior or so, but their everyday life was just as horrible and they dealt with outright and subtle racism as much or more then their fellow african americans in the south.

Direct racism is one of the most surprising things when you witness it. It is like, did that guy/gal really just say that...holy shit. That is really offensive stuff. Luckily it is fading out though, but unfortunately it is being replaced by subtle racism.

The term of marriage was around before religion (i.e. christianity) claimed it as their own...much like morals



First, I am a guy that gets a fake tan...only because it helps control my back and shoulders from breaking out though in the winter months when I can't go in the sun.

Second, I think MC's point that marriage is bad is being misunderstood by you. I think he only meant it as a personal choice and that it wasn't bad as much as he just disagreed with it. I am not sure where he stands on monogamy, but marriage is not the only way to achieve it.

Being in a relationship is already complicated enough. Why bring the government into it and complicate it more? I don't have a problem with marriage as I am happily married, but I understand people that do.
Why bring the government into it? Because everybody wants to create ironclad ways of cashing in on the multimillion dollar wedding industry!!

I remember being floored that we had to pay for a marriage license. I should have assumed it was a given, but my perspective was, I am stressing enough without paying for three or four more things that the county/state/federal governments require.
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This shit is disgusting. The people behind this movement against equality make me sick, and it's too bad there is no hell for them to burn in. How can you defend such blatant inequality and bigotry?


This is not meant with any disrespect or anything but are you gay Suvaco??

I'm just curious what the point of posting this even was really other than if you were like gay and offended and wanted to see what everyone on the forums perspective is??

No you dont have to be gay to post the news it's just slightly odd imo to post a thread on this topic unless there is some reason......

FTR....I have no issue with gay people getting married or whatever they wanna call it....
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