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Old 08-12-2009, 07:50 PM   #11 (permalink)
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'Assuming the upper size limit of 2100 solar radii, light would take more than 8 hours to travel around the star's circumference, compared to 14.5 seconds for the sun. It would take over 7,000,000,000,000,000 (7 quadrillion) Earths to fill the volume of VY Canis Majoris.'-Wikipedia
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Old 08-12-2009, 10:23 PM   #13 (permalink)
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trying to comprehend the scale of the universe is enough to convince any rational person that we are not alone, and that things aren't as simple as "poof, all there". I can watch documentaries and science shows about space until my eyes bleed and my mind shuts down from the sheer awe inspiring massiveness and unimaginable beauty of the universe.

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Just found this. A star that orbits backward?

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Old 08-12-2009, 10:56 PM   #14 (permalink)
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On a side note, people talk about how they can't comprehend the size of the universe and it made me realize, I can't comprehend appreciably how large the earth is, I can't begin to imagine how big the sun is, it's hard to believe the Universe is billion, billion times larger than our solar system when I can't comprehend < 1% of the size of our solar system - a minute fraction of what's out there.

And that link, 10 ways to destroy the Earth, was pretty funny. Although, the von neumann machine would make for a killer movie.

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Old 08-13-2009, 06:26 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Yeah, for all intents and purposes, with out a radical change in how space travel is thought of, it seems like we're pretty much stuck in this solar system. With terraforming techniques we could live on Venus and Mars too, but I can't even imagine what it would take to make Saturn or Jupiter habitable. Can you imagine how much space there is in this system though when compared to just Earth?
i know in theory everything is possible, but i doubt you could change the atmosphere of an entire planet, especially venus which is around a constant 300°C due to the greenhouse gases. we simply don't possess the resources to change an entire planets atmosphere, or at least to make it inhabitable.

i once saw a very interesting documentary about how we'd survive as a species when the sun begins its red giant phase and overheats the earth. first we'd move to mars, at which point would have similar temperatures to earth due to the suns increased size. we could inhabit that for a few hundred to a thousand years, depending on how rapid the suns size increases.

after mars there is no other inhabitable planet in the solar system, there are moons though. theres a moon just off jupiter which is covered in mile thick ice. by the time we'd need to colonize it the ice should have liquidized into one huge ocean. the idea was to set up dome colonies on the sea bed, by that time we should have developed the technology to do so.

i still can't see any hope of ever exploring outside of the solar system though. once a craft runs out of fuel, you can rely on momentum from planets gravitational pull, but after you get to the last planet of the solar system your pretty much stuck. it would really depend on if we can figure out nuclear fusion, which theoretically would tremendously increase energy outputs.
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You guys are pretty optimistic regarding the survival of humanity. It seems to me that we utilize technology more to destroy ourselves than to save us. Maybe we might change our ways?

Yeah but it does seem a bit of a tease that our universe is so big. Even basic communication with other life forms is almost impossible. It seems we have just enough intellect to understand how insignificant we are.
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It seems to me that we utilize technology more to destroy ourselves than to save us. Maybe we might change our ways? .
Considering both life expectancy and total population continually increase I can't say I agree.
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Considering both life expectancy and total population continually increase I can't say I agree.
Considering that GMW is correct I can't say I don't agree.
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It won't take much for our population to have a sudden decline.
Yes, and...? That doesn't mean we utilize more tech. to kill than help.
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