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post #611 of 1724 (permalink) Old 02-14-2011, 11:07 PM
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No way, it formed in time.

Well it just makes sense that it would under such conditions and over a long enough span of time.

We certainly are, we've come a long way
How does that makes sense at all?

Is there some handbook that just tells the universe that its time to create sentient, intelligent beings now?

After sprouting from just pure energy?

Energy = People?

What rationale is this?

Left-brained people only talk about facts, ok so this is why things are...

Bill asks why and how?

How could a cell just evolve into a human being without any guidance whatsoever? Why?

Furthermore, how did this world form in the first place?

No one has the answers to these questions. No matter how much science detests that fact.

Bill's entire premise is that the world and life is so complex, complicated and random, it as if it was designed. Which is where God comes in.

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Well it takes family and connections, not just ability to do what he's done in terms of education. Its not a coincidence, but I could have done the same coming from his family , except I might have gotten a real degree along the way ;D no offense to history majors.
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Bill was kind of ranting right there, but I get it. I haven't been following with the conversation but I thought Bill was asking "How did they get there?"

How did the sun and stars and moon get there? Why does everything work so perfectly for us to benefit as man? Why in millions of years of existence, things stay in tip top shape and working order? How can all of this happen randomly?

I think the point he was TRYING to make is that NONE of this could have happened without intelligent design. I mean, it's very obvious. What are the odds of male and female spawning at the same time and unintelligently surviving until it got smarter?

If there is a good theory on evolution that makes sense, please stop my idiot rambling and post some reading material for me.

But in the meantime, this is hilarious.


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How does that makes sense at all?

Is there some handbook that just tells the universe that its time to create sentient, intelligent beings now?

After sprouting from just pure energy?

Energy = People?

What rationale is this?

Left-brained people only talk about facts, ok so this is why things are...

Bill asks why and how?

How could a cell just evolve into a human being without any guidance whatsoever? Why?

Furthermore, how did this world form in the first place?

No one has the answers to these questions. No matter how much science detests that fact.
It just does :P its how the world around us works.

Of course not, it happens by chance when conditions are right. Like under the conditions when amino acids can be formed from raw chemicals in the right circumstance

lol like protoss archons from starcraft? that would be neat.

no this isnt "why" we are, this is "probably why" we are

he asks simple questions, with simple answers. im talking about something far more complicated.

the earth, well here is a simple explanation as to how it was formed: http://uk2planets.org.uk/how-did-the-earth-form/

there is this cool thing i figured out, if i am curious about something i just go look up all the information the greatest minds and experts in the area have gathered and the evidence that goes a long with it. instead of staying in the same spot i like to see what others have already figured out. its a huge time save

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you're a history major arent you >_>

i always manage to back hand someone when i talk down about degrees x.X




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Bill was kind of ranting right there, but I get it. I haven't been following with the conversation but I thought Bill was asking "How did they get there?"

How did the sun and stars and moon get there? Why does everything work so perfectly for us to benefit as man? Why in millions of years of existence, things stay in tip top shape and working order? How can all of this happen randomly?

I think the point he was TRYING to make is that NONE of this could have happened without intelligent design. I mean, it's very obvious. What are the odds of male and female spawning at the same time and unintelligently surviving until it got smarter?

If there is a good theory on evolution that makes sense, please stop my idiot rambling and post some reading material for me.
There's a perfect theory of evolution of on how life is here, in fact, there's no one sitting around except creationists asking how life started, we don't guess, we KNOW how we got here, it's as much of a fact as gravity is a fact.

The pope accepts evolution and how everyone is here for crying out loud, not many people including christians don't accept evolution, only creationists who just plain out can't accept fact do.
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It just does :P its how the world around us works.

Of course not, it happens by chance when conditions are right. Like under the conditions when amino acids can be formed from raw chemicals in the right circumstance

lol like protoss archons from starcraft? that would be neat.

no this isnt "why" we are, this is "probably why" we are

he asks simple questions, with simple answers. im talking about something far more complicated.

the earth, well here is a simple explanation as to how it was formed: http://uk2planets.org.uk/how-did-the-earth-form/

there is this cool thing i figured out, if i am curious about something i just go look up all the information the greatest minds and experts in the area have gathered and the evidence that goes a long with it. instead of staying in the same spot i like to see what others have already figured out. its a huge time save



you're a history major arent you >_>

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That's just another left-brained answer that doesn't explain causation.

Again, Bill asks how this perfect set of conditions that led to the Earth happened, and this can be asked over and over again ultimately until it begins all the way at the beginning of time/space.

How did these millions, why did these millions of conditions meet to produce mankind?


I'm not a history major, but a lot of my teachers are.

I don't really get what you were trying to say there.

He has a History Major, A Broadcast Major, and a Public Administration Major...

I wonder what he could do with these random, useless degrees?

Number one political commentator in the country perhaps?

You act as if the guy studied Golf Course Maintenance or something.

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Bill didn't ask about any special conditions that led to the Earth (we know how the earth got here, btw), he asked why does the tide go in and out and why does the sun go up and down.

You can think more in depth about it all you want, but bill asked how the tides come in and he stated that mars has no mooons, that in and of itself is retarded.
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There's a perfect theory of evolution of on how life is here, in fact, there's no one sitting around except creationists asking how life started, we don't guess, we KNOW how we got here, it's as much of a fact as gravity is a fact.

The pope accepts evolution and how everyone is here for crying out loud, not many people including christians don't accept evolution, only creationists who just plain out can't accept fact do.
I'm a creationist but I don't ignore science. But I can also tell you that it doesn't say how long it took God to make the earth and universe. Sure, there it says 7 days, but the way the jews talked about days and weeks are different than the way we talk about them.

For us, we say a week is 7 days and that's final. But the jews can say, for instance, a week of years, which is 7 years. They use variations like that. so the earth could have taken millions of years for god to make, I wouldn't doubt it for a second.

Also, it never explains how long Adam and Eve are in the garden before Satan came along and messed everything up. They coulda be there for millions of years as well, we have no way of knowing at this point.


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So you're assuming something that you have no evidence or fact to back it up with?

That's a circular argument. You can't prove the bible with the bible, you need outside evidence to test. That's like me saying that my invisible dragon is real cause it says it's real. You can't say "it never says how long Adam was in the garden", and that's proof or evidence that it took a long time.

It makes no sense, and wouldn't fly in court, wouldn't fly in science, and doesn't fly with me or any other atheist out there.
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That's just another left-brained answer that doesn't explain causation.

Again, Bill asks how this perfect set of conditions that led to the Earth happened, and this can be asked over and over again ultimately until it begins all the way at the beginning of time/space.

How did these millions, why did these millions of conditions meet to produce mankind?


I'm not a history major, but a lot of my teachers are.

I don't really get what you were trying to say there.

He has a History Major, A Broadcast Major, and a Public Administration Major...

I wonder what he could do with these random, useless degrees?

Number one political commentator in the country perhaps?

You act as if the guy studied Golf Course Maintenance or something.
Of course its a left brained answer, the left side of your brain is where your logic comes from :P

well not perfect, just suitable is required. hand full of things really.

oh well its not millions and millions of things, we've created the conditions and made amino acids from raw chemicals. you can probably youtube it to, or google.

well i certainly can't sneer at such an illustrious degree as "golf course maintenance"

well he did what he could with his first degree, teach. realized the "oh shit" factor. went back to school, i mean the guy had a ton of options hard to fudge it up he was going to be successful in life if he sold dead pigeons at the beach. with his family connections he got on as a lowbie tv anchor for some channel, stayed in the biz naturally worked his way up and once again his "connections" didnt hurt that either ;D



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