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Old 02-14-2011, 10:48 PM   #621 (permalink)
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So you're assuming something that you have no evidence or fact to back it up with?

That's a circular argument. You can't prove the bible with the bible, you need outside evidence to test. That's like me saying that my invisible dragon is real cause it says it's real. You can't say "it never says how long Adam was in the garden", and that's proof or evidence that it took a long time.

It makes no sense, and wouldn't fly in court, wouldn't fly in science, and doesn't fly with me or any other atheist out there.
And yet neither does the countless unfounded scientific theory.
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:50 PM   #622 (permalink)
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So you're assuming something that you have no evidence or fact to back it up with?

That's a circular argument. You can't prove the bible with the bible, you need outside evidence to test. That's like me saying that my invisible dragon is real cause it says it's real. You can't say "it never says how long Adam was in the garden", and that's proof or evidence that it took a long time.

It makes no sense, and wouldn't fly in court, wouldn't fly in science, and doesn't fly with me or any other atheist out there.
The bible can indeed prove itself. That's why there is prophecy. I bring it up time and time again and atheist tend to just ignore all of the evidence god said he'd provide. God doesn't answer to us, we answer to him.

If all the bible said was that god created everything and that you should obey him, I'd never believe that. But if you study prophecy, which is pretty much him telling the future waaaaaaaay before it happens, than maybe atheist would start to get it.

I mean, 2000 years ago it was written that Israel would be born as a nation again in 1 day. It happened may 18, 1948. How could people get that guess right?
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:50 PM   #623 (permalink)
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And yet neither does the countless unfounded scientific theory.
You mean the science that can be proven and tested, to the point where we can test it 100 times and have the same impact and result happens 100 times, therefore it's fact and clearly correct? Like evolution, for example?

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The bible can indeed prove itself. That's why there is prophecy. I bring it up time and time again and atheist tend to just ignore all of the evidence god said he'd provide. God doesn't answer to us, we answer to him.

If all the bible said was that god created everything and that you should obey him, I'd never believe that. But if you study prophecy, which is pretty much him telling the future waaaaaaaay before it happens, than maybe atheist would start to get it.

I mean, 2000 years ago it was written that Israel would be born as a nation again in 1 day. It happened may 18, 1948. How could people get that guess right?
That's not proof. I can say that given an infinite amount of time, America will no longer be called America and that it won't be 1 whole country.

Guess what? The chance of that happen given an INFINITE amount of time, is extremely good.

If the bible gave a date, a time, how the weather was, gave details that cannot possibly be explained, that would be a different story.

There are people who make predictions that come true all the time, literally every single day. It proves nothing, and if you put that as evidence in court, you would literally be laughed out of the court room.
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:52 PM   #624 (permalink)
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:54 PM   #625 (permalink)
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i think all religion is just BS, yeah i believe in god and jesus and do good things you'll go to heaven, but the fact is people created bibles and prophecys in different religions based on the history and values they like and they avoiding the whole truth, how can anyone know if bibles and religions are true by some people who made books with no way knowing if its true or not or if it has biasism attached klike the god hates gays part in the old testament i believe. there has to be some biasism and inaccuracy about that.
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:55 PM   #626 (permalink)
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You mean the science that can be proven and tested, to the point where we can test it 100 times and and the same impact and result happens 100 times, therefore it's fact and clearly correct? Like evolution, for example?



That's not proof. I can say that given an infinite amount of time, America will no longer be called America and that it won't be 1 whole country.

Guess what? The chance of that happen given an INFINITE amount of time, is extremely good.

If the bible gave a date, a time, how the weather was, gave details that cannot possibly be explained, that would be a different story.

There are people who make predictions that come true all the time, literally every single day. It proves nothing, and if you put that as evidence in court, you would literally be laughed out of the court room.

Once again, where is your 100 evidence for the origin of the universe.

That should disprove God alone.
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:55 PM   #627 (permalink)
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And yet neither does the countless unfounded scientific theory.
but thats the opposite of what scientific theory is. do you remember the words "scientific method" from middle school/high school?

here it is:

Define the question
Gather information and resources (observe)
Form hypothesis
Perform experiment and collect data
Analyze data
Interpret data and draw conclusions that serve as a starting point for new hypothesis
Publish results
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this is what science is and does. test, test, test, when something is capable to be become scientific theory it is well founded.

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Once again, where is your 100 evidence for the origin of the universe.

That should disprove God alone.
It is impossible to disprove god. It is impossible to disprove unicorns.

It is easy to disprove the bible. The bible is very fallible, and full of contradictions. Hence the thousands of manuscripts and versions of the bible, all different than the next.
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but thats the opposite of what scientific theory is. do you remember the words "scientific method" from middle school/high school?

here it is:

Define the question
Gather information and resources (observe)
Form hypothesis
Perform experiment and collect data
Analyze data
Interpret data and draw conclusions that serve as a starting point for new hypothesis
Publish results
Retest
Of course, that doesn't mean that these "results" are completely different from case to case, and that many of the time the hypotheses developed from the results of the method are COMPLTETE and UTTER CONJECTURE.
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Of course, that doesn't mean that these "results" are completely different from case to case, and that many of the time the hypotheses developed from the results of the method are COMPLTETE and UTTER CONJECTURE.
well thats how scientific theory is gauged, when the same test produces different results when replicated it becomes debunked.
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You mean the science that can be proven and tested, to the point where we can test it 100 times and and the same impact and result happens 100 times, therefore it's fact and clearly correct? Like evolution, for example?



That's not proof. I can say that given an infinite amount of time, America will no longer be called America and that it won't be 1 whole country.

Guess what? The chance of that happen given an INFINITE amount of time, is extremely good.

If the bible gave a date, a time, how the weather was, gave details that cannot possibly be explained, that would be a different story.

There are people who make predictions that come true all the time, literally every single day. It proves nothing, and if you put that as evidence in court, you would literally be laughed out of the court room.
How is that not proof? To say that a nation that didn't exist for over 1900 years would be reborn in 1 day in the same exact location is pretty definite.
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