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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 06-19-2008, 02:07 AM Thread Starter
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Libertarian's chances?

My question is for mainly Americans...anyone with knowledge of the political system is free to input their opinions and comments though.

Do you think the Libertarian Party wil eve rbe taken seriously and pose a threat as a potential president?

Discuss.

Here is a link to this year's big name 3rd party candidate, Bob Barr.

http://www.bobbarr2008.com/home/skip/?s=0609-continue

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Hell no. Never, it's just not going to happen.

I'm hoping the PDs get somewhere and can turn the party around in Ireland though.
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Hell no. Never, it's just not going to happen.

I'm hoping the PDs get somewhere and can turn the party around in Ireland though.
Are you from Ireland?

I feel like it will never happen as well, but the party has come a long way since 1996 and the craziness that was around before that.

I think the big knock on them nowadays is illegal residents and their lack of policy regarding them. One thing they do have going for them though is the fairtax system which, on paper, looks very promising. Of course, so does communism.

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Are you from Ireland?

I feel like it will never happen as well, but the party has come a long way since 1996 and the craziness that was around before that.

I think the big knock on them nowadays is illegal residents and their lack of policy regarding them. One thing they do have going for them though is the fairtax system which, on paper, looks very promising. Of course, so does communism.
Indeed yes I am.

I just don't ever see the libertaian party being taken that seriously.
Ron Paul should take over the party and then the countryin a glorious coup d'état.
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I heard Ron Paul speak in San Diego about a month ago. He said that, going into the campaign, he was skeptical about whether people would vote for someone who wasn't promising them any handouts. While many were surprised to see the number of people who came out passionately for his campaign, libertarians are still in the minority and always will be. How many people are willing to live on their own terms and take responsibility for their lives? Not many in my opinion. Everyone wants to blame someone else and take from those who have more than them rather than setting goals and working hard to achieve them. It's easy to vote for Obama. He's portrayed as the savior of mankind, carrying a horn of plenty, pouring out food, money and healthcare for everyone. It makes me sick to see the greediness and lack of self respect that plagues our country. I wish I could say that I'm optimistic, but I think it's only going to get worse.

From this year on, I refuse to vote for anyone I can't stand behind 100%. No more settling. If I have to write in a candidate every election for the rest of my life, I'll gladly do it. Sellouts will say that I'm throwing away my vote, but at least I'm not throwing away my soul and principles.
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Not directly. But the more people vote for libertarianism, the more the Rs and Ds start acting like libertarians.

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Not directly. But the more people vote for libertarianism, the more the Rs and Ds start acting like libertarians.
I hope you're right. The problem is that the Rs and Ds don't question the basic assumptions they operate under. They'll continue to do what they've done since at least 1935, even if they do soften their thieving tendencies a bit.

I chose 1935 because that's as far back as I know with absolute certainty they've been making the arguments they make today. I was reading Congressional reports associated with the Revenue act of 1935 for work and couldn't believe how little has changed. The craziest thing I read was one of the Democracts freaking out about a Mr. Haliburton. Seriously, the founder of the Haliburton that Dick Cheney was involved with and the Democrats were freaking out about not long ago.
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The two party system is an incredibly effective system of suppression. As long as the people are content to blame the imaginary other side for their issues (which they're encouraged/brainwashed to do from every imaginable direction, from the church to the media to the educational system to the politicians themselves), the pendulum continues to swing back and forth, while the corporations and wealthy elite continue to act as the fulcrum. They benefit no matter who's in office while the people are squeezed no matter who's in office, as well.

We need to get back to strong state and local governments and more importantly, a society that counts on themselves and others, rather than the government. That's not going to happen without a fight, political or otherwise.

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I agree that our sociey needs to come a long way. I don't however think it wil happen any time soon. I think a depression is much more likely.

I would rather have Bob Barr in office then Ron Paul. Paul was more like a republican then a libertarian. I like how Barr supports the fair tax as well.

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