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Old 07-09-2008, 02:57 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Don't even get me started on what your government has been doing compared to our Mounties.
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So because there were 3 officers, they should risk getting stabbed by physically taking the knife from him?

The guy had a weapon and could seriously hurt someone, and as the article said, he was delusional, so what the hell do you expect the officers to do?

This sounds just like the story where a Swat team killed a 90 year old woman whose son was on the cities top wanted list. She was sitting on a couch right in front of the front door, so when Swat busted it, she shot at the police with a 12 gauge shotgun. That resulted with her getting riddled with bullets and killed. It also resulted in people bitching about the police killing this 90 year old lady.

I just seriously don't understand people's logic sometimes.

This site seems to leave out valuable information also.

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In Ohio they take grass-cutting very seriously. So seriously infact that homeowners who don’t mow their lawns face a stiff fine, even jail time in some cases.

The city council has decided to get tougher by increasing the maximum fine for failing to cut the grass from $150 to $250. And they’ve also added up to 30 days behind bars if a violator is particularly bad. Mayor William Healy says it’s the type of action needed “in order to clean up our neighbourhoods and our city.”

In the US it seems you don’t even get enough jail time for serious offences like assualt and robbery so this was a bit suprising.
http://www.veryweirdnews.com/mow-you...or-go-to-jail/

is very misleading. You are sent to jail because the city or township sends out their lawn care guys to cut your lawn if it gets past a certain height and if the neighbors call in bitching about it. That lawn care company who the city or township sends out charges the township or city a good amount of money normally between $100-$300, depending on the lawn.

The city or township then adds that bill to the homeowners taxes of the house. If those taxes aren't paid, then you have a set time to pay them and if you don't, you either loose your house for not paying your taxes, or you go to jail as said above.

You also get about a 10 day notice to cut your lawn before they send someone out.

I know this because I work full-time for a lawn care business and we do our Township's weed ordinances.
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Old 07-09-2008, 11:36 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I thought this was a free country...I will cut my grass when I want to cut my grass....thats damnedest thing I have ever heard....nice find
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There are limits to everything. A house that isn't maintained hurts the community several ways. Most notably bringing down property value in the neighborhood, you wouldn't appreciate it if you lived next door and were trying to sell your home in an already tough market. There are a lot of deed restricted communities that make residents agree to this beforehand. Not too mention allowing your lawn to look like a jungle can attract non friendly neighborhood animals.

As far as the Canadian Mounties, good for them. I love the use of a taser...and I just graduated from UF and was there when that kid got tasered last year. Would people have preferred that old man take a bullet, or perhaps a baton to the face??
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Don't even get me started on what your government has been doing compared to our Mounties.
Oh, so because I am American you think this was a shot at Canadian Police. Well, it wasn't. I was just intrigued by this blatant misuse of a taser. Thought people should be notified.

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So because there were 3 officers, they should risk getting stabbed by physically taking the knife from him?

The guy had a weapon and could seriously hurt someone, and as the article said, he was delusional, so what the hell do you expect the officers to do?

This sounds just like the story where a Swat team killed a 90 year old woman whose son was on the cities top wanted list. She was sitting on a couch right in front of the front door, so when Swat busted it, she shot at the police with a 12 gauge shotgun. That resulted with her getting riddled with bullets and killed. It also resulted in people bitching about the police killing this 90 year old lady.

I just seriously don't understand people's logic sometimes.

This site seems to leave out valuable information also.

For example, this....



http://www.veryweirdnews.com/mow-you...or-go-to-jail/

is very misleading. You are sent to jail because the city or township sends out their lawn care guys to cut your lawn if it gets past a certain height and if the neighbors call in bitching about it. That lawn care company who the city or township sends out charges the township or city a good amount of money normally between $100-$300, depending on the lawn.

The city or township then adds that bill to the homeowners taxes of the house. If those taxes aren't paid, then you have a set time to pay them and if you don't, you either loose your house for not paying your taxes, or you go to jail as said above.

You also get about a 10 day notice to cut your lawn before they send someone out.

I know this because I work full-time for a lawn care business and we do our Township's weed ordinances.
This is nothing like a gun wielding grandma. Htis is 3 "trained officers" vs. an 82-year old man with a pocket knife.

I don't think they needed to taser him 3 times though, and also there are several other ways to take a knife out of a delusional guys hands. Not to mention, it was a pocket knife.

When old people go through surgery and get medicated they often become delusional (it is referred to as Sundowner's Sydrome and sometimes leads to Alzheimer's). They really don't know what is going on. My grandfather is experiencing that right now after hip surgery. He actually called 911 on his male nurse because he thought the guy killed his wife and was holding him hostage.

What about when there are 4 officers and one unarmed guy that doesn't threaten them. Be sure and click on footage to watch the video, if you can stomach it. This is an incident that could have easily been handled peacefully with patience, but no these guy just get taser happy and for some reason don't want to ever use their pepper spray, which would be just as effective without lethal implications

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An amateur cameraman has released footage of the death of a man tasered by Royal Canadian Mounted Police at Vancouver International Airport.
Cameraman Paul Pritchard filmed Pole Robert Dziekanski,40, in a "clearly agitated" state on 14 October in a "secure area outside the Canada Customs exit". At the start of the 10 minute film Dziekanski, who had arrived hours before* to visit his mother, can be seen "taking office chairs and putting them in front of the security doors", as CBC News explains. He then "picks up a small table, which he holds, while a woman in the arrivals lounge calmly speaks to him in apparent effort to calm him down".
Dziekanski then "picks up a computer and throws it to the ground". Three airport personnel arrive and "block the exit from the secure area, but Dziekanski retreats inside and does not threaten them".
Four RCMP officers arrive shortly after and roughly 25 seconds later, "there is a loud crack that sounds like a Taser shot, followed by Dziekanski screaming and convulsing as he stumbles and falls to the floor".
CBC News continues: "Another loud crack can be heard as an officer appears to fire one more Taser shot into Dziekanski. As the officers kneel on top of Dziekanski and handcuff him, he continues to scream and convulse on the floor. One officer is heard to say, 'Hit him again. Hit him again', and there is another loud cracking sound."
As the video ends, officers "appear to be checking his condition and one officer is heard to say, 'code red'". An ambulance team arrived a few minutes later, but "their efforts to revive Dziekanski were unsuccessful and he was declared dead".
Pritchard gave police his footage "on a promise that they would return it within 48 hours". However, the next day, they told him "they would not be returning the recording as promised". He then hired a lawyer to recover the film, which police eventually returned to him on Wednesday.
Pritchard claims he was provoked into action because he "feared a coverup by police". RCMP's Cpl Dale Carr said police "kept the video longer than they anticipated in order to protect the integrity of the police investigation while they interviewed witnesses".
Carr told a press conference on Wednesday: "It's just one piece of evidence, one person's view. There are many people that we have spoken to. What I urge is that those watching the video, take note of that. Put what they've seen aside for the time being. And wait to hear the totality of the evidence at the time of the inquest."
Among the controversial points raised by the video are that police "have said repeatedly that there were only three RCMP officers involved in the incident, but the video shows four men in RCMP uniforms", and that RCMP have said officers "did not use pepper spray because of the large number of people at the airport at the time".
However, as CBC News notes: "The video shows Dziekanski standing alone with the four officers in an otherwise empty area, which is separated from the public area by a thick glass wall."
CBC News concludes: "The RCMP's integrated homicide investigation team, the BC coroner's service, the Vancouver International Airport Authority and the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP are each conducting their own investigations into the incident." ®
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*CBC News notes: "The Polish immigrant arrived from Europe the previous day around 4pm, but for some unknown reason he did not clear customs until after midnight." The cause of his distress is likewise unknown.
Here is the same story as the 82 year old man from a UK publication
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05...aser_incident/
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There are limits to everything. A house that isn't maintained hurts the community several ways. Most notably bringing down property value in the neighborhood, you wouldn't appreciate it if you lived next door and were trying to sell your home in an already tough market. There are a lot of deed restricted communities that make residents agree to this beforehand. Not too mention allowing your lawn to look like a jungle can attract non friendly neighborhood animals.

As far as the Canadian Mounties, good for them. I love the use of a taser...and I just graduated from UF and was there when that kid got tasered last year. Would people have preferred that old man take a bullet, or perhaps a baton to the face??
How about a baton to the hand holding the knife? Or countless other ways to unarm the knife.

Your comments in support of HOA's really shows you are from Florida. The only difference in the Ohio case is that they have the law behind them. HOA's really have no power in Florida. I agree that story left out important facts, but the taser one seems legit.
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How about a baton to the hand holding the knife? Or countless other ways to unarm the knife.

Your comments in support of HOA's really shows you are from Florida. The only difference in the Ohio case is that they have the law behind them. HOA's really have no power in Florida. I agree that story left out important facts, but the taser one seems legit.
They might have been able to do it another way, no way to tell unless your really there I guess. I just know personally how much the use of tasers have increased officers safety in the last decade from what my uncle had told me. Instead of risking getting too close to a hostile person, or using your service weapon and wounding/killing a person, you can just taser them. But I know there are still some bad use of a taser, I just normally default to supporting their use unless I'm able to see a video or something and it was very obviously not necessary.
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They might have been able to do it another way, no way to tell unless your really there I guess. I just know personally how much the use of tasers have increased officers safety in the last decade from what my uncle had told me. Instead of risking getting too close to a hostile person, or using your service weapon and wounding/killing a person, you can just taser them. But I know there are still some bad use of a taser, I just normally default to supporting their use unless I'm able to see a video or something and it was very obviously not necessary.
Kind of like the one in my second story I guess.
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