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Old 07-31-2008, 11:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Obama's new bill...thoughts

So, in case you aren't aware our potential president in the U.S. wants end global poverty (or at least help out with it). Here is the story

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Sen. Barack Obama perhaps giving America a preview of priorities he would pursue if elected president is rejoicing over the Senate committee passage of a plan that could end up costing taxpayers billions of dollars in an attempt to reduce poverty in other nations.
The bill, called the Global Poverty Act, is the type of legislation, "We can – and must – make … a priority," said Obama, a co-sponsor.
It would demand that the president develop "and implement" a policy to "cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief and other programs.
When word about what appears to be a massive new spending program started getting out, the reaction was immediate.
"It's not our job to cut global poverty," said one commenter on a Yahoo news forum. "These people need to learn how to fish themselves. If we keep throwing them fish, the fish will rot."

Many Americans were alerted to the legislation by a report from Cliff Kincaid at Accuracy in Media. He published a critique asserting that while the Global Poverty Act sounds nice, the adoption could "result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States" and would make levels "of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations."
He said the legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which over 13 years he said would amount to $845 billion "over and above what the U.S. already spends."
The plan passed the House in 2007 "because most members didn't realize what was in it," Kincaid reported. "Congressional sponsors have been careful not to calculate the amount of foreign aid spending that it would require."
A statement from Obama's office this week noted the support offered by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
"With billions of people living on just dollars a day around the world, global poverty remains one of the greatest challenges and tragedies the international community faces," Obama said. "It must be a priority of American foreign policy to commit to eliminating extreme poverty and ensuring every child has food, shelter, and clean drinking water. As we strive to rebuild America's standing in the world, this important bill will demonstrate our promise and commitment to those in the developing world.
"Our commitment to the global economy must extend beyond trade agreements that are more about increasing profits than about helping workers and small farmers everywhere," he continued.
The bill institutes the United Nations Millennium Summit goals as the benchmarks for U.S. spending.
"It is time the United States makes it a priority of our foreign policy to meet this goal and help those who are struggling day to day," a statement issued by supporters, including Obama, said.
Specifically, it would "declare" that the official U.S. policy is to eliminate global poverty, that the president is "required" to "develop and implement" a strategy to reach that goal and requires that the U.S. efforts be "specific and measurable."
Kincaid said that after cutting through all of the honorable-sounding goals in the plan, the bottom line is that the legislation would mandate the 0.7 percent of the U.S. GNP as "official development assistance."
"In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that (U.N.) declaration commits nations to banning 'small arms and light weapons' and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention of Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women and the Convention of the Rights of the Child," he said.
Those U.N. protocols would make U.S. law on issues ranging from the 2nd Amendment to energy usage and parental rights all subservient to United Nations whims.
Kincaid also reported Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the "Millennium Project," confirms a U.N. plan to force the U.S. to pay 0.7 percent of GNP would add about $65 billion a year to what the U.S. already donates overseas.
And the only way to raise that funding, Sachs confirms, "is through a global tax, preferably on carbon-emitting fossil fuels," Kincaid writes.
On the forum run by Americans for Legal Immigration PAC, one writer reported estimates of taxes from 35 cents to $1 dollar a gallon on gasoline would be needed.
"This is disgusting, sickening and angers me to the depths of my soul," the forum author wrote. "Obama wants us to support the world. I wonder how they intend to eliminate poverty. Most of the money always winds up in some dictator hands and in the U.N. coffers."
WND calls to Obama's office, as well as the offices of others who supported the plan, were not successful in obtaining a comment.
Another forum participant said, "Yes, and we should also eliminate sickness of any kind and get rid of poverty as well. Then, too, we should make certain that everyone in the world has equal assets, equal money, a college education, etc… After that, or maybe while we are solving all of the world's little problems, we can take care of the polar bears, eliminate the internal combustion engine, and, and, and… Oh dear, if only we would just go ahead and do all the things the dreamers want us to do. Let's stop using oil and burning coal while we're at it. Then we can make it illegal to be overweight and then we can. ..."
One forum contributor said since the legislation doesn't specifically demand "taxes," but instead leaves the mandatory "implementation" up to the president, "maybe the tooth fairy will leave [this new money] under the president's pillow."
Kincaid reported several more budget-minded senators have put a hold on the legislation "in order to prevent it from being rushed to the floor for a full Senate vote."
The legislation requires the president to do whatever is required to fulfill a strategy that would result in "the elimination of extreme global poverty and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide … who live on less than $1 per day."
It further requires the president not only to accomplish that goal but, "not later than one year after the date of the enactment of this act," to submit a report on "the contributions provided by the United States" toward poverty reduction.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=56405

It looks to be a conservative source, but you can draw conclusions however you please
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Old 08-01-2008, 07:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'd swear you would think Obama is running for President of Earth and not the U.S.
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It's surprising just how greedy 1st world citizens have become when they bemoan a 0.7 percent sacrifice to assist the most poor.
Hopefully this renewed effort to eliminate disease and extreme poverty will delve deeper than previous efforts and address the causes not just the symptoms.
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not my problem other people are poor so why should my taxes go towards it. Obama is really pushing more taxes.
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I think its great to help people.

But as long as we have poverty in America, **** everyone who isnt a citizen. If we help others before helping our own, we are a sorry lot indeed.
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It's surprising just how greedy 1st world citizens have become when they bemoan a 0.7 percent sacrifice to assist the most poor.
Hopefully this renewed effort to eliminate disease and extreme poverty will delve deeper than previous efforts and address the causes not just the symptoms.
It will cost each American family member $2700 for the next 10 years. If he were to use that money to feed our own starving children, clothe our own homeless citizens (former taxpayers), house underprivileged families and children, or I don't know spend it on something for the people that actually paid the taxes, it would be a different bill, but it is for the world poverty. Starting in Africa. Not to mention, there is not a direct plan in place to ensure that the money gets spent in any way other then lining the pockets of the dictators that run the country we are funding. It is amazing how beggars always become choosers. One's that receive handouts rarely are satisfied with the handout.
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I'd swear you would think Obama is running for President of Earth and not the U.S.
I hear that man, rep't.
Why can't we worry about ourselves for a little while?
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I think its great to help people.

But as long as we have poverty in America, **** everyone who isnt a citizen. If we help others before helping our own, we are a sorry lot indeed.
Remember that helping the worlds poor and helping America's poor are not mutually exclusive objectives. Both can be achieved at the same time. The world would be a much better place if people cared more for each other.
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Old 08-01-2008, 11:26 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I suppose it's better than dedicating 25% of the economy to blowing the rest of the world up.

Not to mention, President Bush just authorized another $48 billion to fight global aids in addition to the over $20 billion he approves of annaually, so it's not like voting 'conservative' will keep our money away from the rest of the world.

If we really want to help the third world, we would make sure they had enough DDT so they could wipe out malaria. We would dismantle the IMF and the World Bank and hold corporations to a universal set of laws so that the 3rd world wouldn't be imprisoned in a state of arrested development for the sake of the first world's economic benefit.

Of course, no politician would get elected if they promised to shrink the economy, so that the 3rd world's could grow, so depending on who they're manipulating, you see them promise to do nothing or throw money at them, money that was produced by the sweat of the backs of the children they're promising to save, money that has little value because the 3rd world isn't allowed to develop an economy to spend it in.

Between Obama and McCain, though, I think Obama would do the least damage. McCain appears to be bat sh*t insane, claiming to be for smaller government while promising to force oil companies to hand over the extra profits offered by his fundamentally stupid 'gas tax holiday' scheme, not knowing the difference between Sunni and Shia Muslims or why it's important to know the difference, thinking Iraq shares a border with Pakistan, reassuring us that his lack of economic knowledge isn't a problem because Jack Kemp will be one of his primary economic advisors despite also promising he'll have no place in his administration. The list goes on forever.

I'm voting for Ron Paul, and you should, too.
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If i give them the xtra taxes I think I might end up in poverty myself. Then for a bit I will recieve the tax money I once payed. But Then I will be put back out of poverty with those taxes and end up paying them once again and creating a crazy cycle. But 30 cents to a buck xtra on a gallon of gas would not work at all. We have so many great programs and give so much money already. Doesnt mean we cant do better but we shouldnt be hurting ourselves to hardly put other people out of poverty. We do alot in every country to help aids, poverty and all the issues.
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