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Old 01-06-2009, 04:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Who Cares about 2012,,,,this **** happend

Video: Calif. cop shoots apparently helpless man in the backDavid Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: Monday January 5, 2009





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Two videos showing a Bay Area Rapid Transit police officer fatally shooting an unarmed, cooperating 22-year-old man have surfaced, thanks to a vigilant teen and an anonymous cameraman.

According to officials, five officers arrived at a subway station around 2 a.m. in response to reports of fighting on a train. Officers handcuffed a group of suspects, and detained the soon-to-be victim, Oscar Grant III.

In both videos, though detained, Grant had clearly not been cuffed.

Mario Pangelina Jr., aunt to Grant's four-year-old daughter, witnessed the events leading up to the shooting.

"First, an officer grabbed Oscar by the neck and pushed him against the wall," the Oakland Tribune quoted her as saying. "Oscar didn't fight him, but he didn't go down either. He was like, 'What did I do?' Then another officer came up with his Taser and held it right in his face. Oscar said, 'Please don't shoot me, please don't Taser me, I have a daughter,' over and over again, real fast, and he sat down."

Footage captured by camera-phone-wielding Karina Vargas, 19, shows officers had detained several men. Over the proceeding minutes, officers become defensive as groups of yelling youths stand on the periphery and meander past.

At one point, a male shouts, "Yo, f--k the police!"

Vargas several times makes attempts to get closer. When her camera focuses on Grant, he is sitting with his back against a wall, surrounded by others in handcuffs. He holds up his hands, apparently speaking with the officers, when they force him to the ground.

Two officers struggle to turn him over, even as he appears to be strewn across another man's legs, when suddenly one of the men retrieves his gun from its holster.

At this point in Vargas' video, she turns to her immediate left and focuses on an officer wrestling another man to the ground. Then, the shot rings out.

San Francisco's KTVU aired a second video clip from an anonymous witness. In it, Grant is clearly pinned by two officers and completely immobile. Then, without provocation, the officer at Grant's waist draws his weapon and fires.

After the gunshot, as the audio track dissolves into indiscernible shouting and commotion, an enraged onlooker hurls an object at the police. Vargas retreats to her train and peeks the camera at the officers again.

"They just shot him! They just shot him!" she yells. "... I got you, mothaf--kers!"

The victim was fatally wounded when the bullet passed through his back, hit the ground, and ricocheted into his lungs. He died in a hospital several hours later.

Grant's mother and daughter are being represented by civil rights attorney John Burris, who has a history of work on police abuse issues, including the beating of Rodney King. At a Sunday news conference, Burris called the incident "without a doubt, the most unconscionable shooting I have ever seen."

A person close to the investigation told the San Francisco Chronicle that BART officials are looking into the possibility that the officer thought he was firing a Taser and pulled out his gun by mistake.

Last June, a Maryland district court found that an officer who shot a fleeing suspect in the elbow while believing he was firing his Taser was not guilty of violating the suspect's rights against unreasonable search and seizure.

Burris has announced a civil suit against BART for $25 million. He has also recommended that charges of second-degree murder or manslaughter be filed against the officer.

"It's pretty clear from the tape and from witnesses that he wasn't doing anything of a threatening nature to the officer," Burris said at a Jan. 4 press conference.

He added that he's seen footage from three other cameras that captured Grant's slaying.

The Bay Area police are appealing to the public for "calm."

"We are taking this investigation very seriously," said Chief Gary Gee during a Sunday press conference. "As frustrating as it is, I want to stress that we cannot and will not jeopardize this case by discussing details before the investigation is complete."

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With shit like this happening, I really couldn't care less about what may or may not happen in four years. It's completely okay when a police officer mistakes something for a gun..Amadou Diallo is turning in his grave.
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Old 01-06-2009, 04:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow that's not even right man. We don't know what the officer was seeing exactly but I don't think a gun was necessary. Why wouldn't they just tazer him?
I don't understand some people sometimes. What a tragedy.
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Some dude got tasered to death in BC a few months ago by a cop and it had everyone in a shitstorm of anger. I can only imagine how the people in that area feel about the shooting.
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bah.. once again my hatred for the police is renewed.
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The woman videotaping the scene only caught the two men on the floor. There are two sides to story, maybe he reached for the officers gun, or so on........ I worked For LAPD for a year and a half, and you dont have a clue what an Officer goes through. Decided to resign and have been working Corporate Security ever since. Alot of mental stress gone.....
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The woman videotaping the scene only caught the two men on the floor. There are two sides to story, maybe he reached for the officers gun, or so on........ I worked For LAPD for a year and a half, and you dont have a clue what an Officer goes through. Decided to resign and have been working Corporate Security ever since. Alot of mental stress gone.....

The first video doesn't show the shooting, she turned right before the shot was fired, but this video does show it.

http://www.ktvu.com/video/18409133/index.html

I want to be a cop after I get my degree and I am usually one to defend the cops because it seems that people never try and look at a situation from the officer's eyes, but this appears to be just plain wrong. From the video you can see that the victim was lying down, with his hand behind his back. There was a struggle with the officers but for the officer to stand and fire a round into his back just doesn't make any sense to me. From what I see in that video I can't see how the officer would have felt threatened enough to fire into the mans back.
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That's bullsh** man, you don't confuse a taser for a gun, He better get time for that sh**.
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and people question my beliefs on cops, this just enforces my beliefs that cops are nothing but scum. Poor kid.
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People should remember this video next time they complain about non-lethal tazer or pepper spray use by police. I really can't imagine why this cop did it, but it certainly doesn't look good for him.
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The first video doesn't show the shooting, she turned right before the shot was fired, but this video does show it.

http://www.ktvu.com/video/18409133/index.html

I want to be a cop after I get my degree and I am usually one to defend the cops because it seems that people never try and look at a situation from the officer's eyes, but this appears to be just plain wrong. From the video you can see that the victim was lying down, with his hand behind his back. There was a struggle with the officers but for the officer to stand and fire a round into his back just doesn't make any sense to me. From what I see in that video I can't see how the officer would have felt threatened enough to fire into the mans back.

With that many officers, he should of never resorted to his firearm....That was a very bad decision on the officers part. Wow, I can already read the reports his fellow officers have to write.........
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