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Old 01-11-2009, 10:01 PM   #11 (permalink)
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He deserves to die even more now. He's obviously not mentally there and there's no chance of reforming him in prison or an insane asylum. No point in wasting tax dollars to keep him alive just fry him.
It actually costs more to kill them then keep them in prison for life generally but tx doesn't care about that.
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Old 01-11-2009, 10:02 PM   #12 (permalink)
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He deserves to die even more now. He's obviously not mentally there and there's no chance of reforming him in prison or an insane asylum. No point in wasting tax dollars to keep him alive just fry him.
Is there a right to end his life if he didn't have control over the actions? From an emotionless point of view an argument can be made that people are machines and a defective product, for whatever defect, needs to be eliminated, but I don't see how there is a right to end his life if an illness caused the actions.
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Is there a right to end his life if he didn't have control over the actions? From an emotionless point of view an argument can be made that people are machines and a defective product, for whatever defect, needs to be eliminated, but I don't see how there is a right to end his life if an illness caused the actions.
In history class in high school my teacher said something like that in regards to a nazi ideal. Oh I remember that because that class was a total sausage fest
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Old 01-11-2009, 10:07 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Is there a right to end his life if he didn't have control over the actions? From an emotionless point of view an argument can be made that people are machines and a defective product, for whatever defect, needs to be eliminated, but I don't see how there is a right to end his life if an illness caused the actions.
Who's to say he didn't have control over his actions?

He is obviously mentally unstable but you can't prove that he was at the time of the murders. For all we know the experience of committing those heinous crimes could have drove him mad or being locked in confinement knowing he is most likely going to die could have. We can't prove when or if an illness caused his actions.

There's also the point that prisons are supposed to be used to reform people and turn them into productive members of society. I highly doubt this guy can be reformed and made productive.
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I have a double standard for the death penalty. Normally I would say it's not okay, but if someone in my family or close friends were killed by any person, I'd want them to die. On second thought, I'd want to cut off their arms and legs and drop them off at a hospital so they have to spend the rest of their lives as a torso.
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Who's to say he didn't have control over his actions?
In the same way you assumed he couldn't be reformed I was assuming the mental defect caused this.

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He is obviously mentally unstable but you can't prove that he was at the time of the murders. For all we know the experience of committing those heinous crimes could have drove him mad or being locked in confinement knowing he is most likely going to die could have. We can't prove when or if an illness caused his actions.
Yeah, we can't, which is why imo he shouldn't be executed. It's better to keep a guilty man alive than risk executing an innocent person [in this case its not guilty vs innocent, but mentally stable crime vs unstable crime, just saying this before someone pointed out the innocent person in the analogy did kill]

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There's also the point that prisons are supposed to be used to reform people and turn them into productive members of society. I highly doubt this guy can be reformed and made productive.
Prisons are only to reform on paper, no one expects reformation from prison, which is why he should be in a high security mental health facility.
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I have a double standard for the death penalty. Normally I would say it's not okay, but if someone in my family or close friends were killed by any person, I'd want them to die. On second thought, I'd want to cut off their arms and legs and drop them off at a hospital so they have to spend the rest of their lives as a torso.
i think we should have death fights. but only once a year, a huge tourneys where we can have 1v1 2v1 2v2 3v3 etc etc some with weapons, some without, some with human vs animal to the death etc. hell yes! i can feel the social de-evolution now
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Old 01-11-2009, 10:19 PM   #18 (permalink)
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In the same way you assumed he couldn't be reformed I was assuming the mental defect caused this.
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Yeah, we can't, which is why imo he shouldn't be executed. It's better to keep a guilty man alive than risk executing an innocent person [in this case its not guilty vs innocent, but mentally stable crime vs unstable crime, just saying this before someone pointed out the innocent person in the analogy did kill]
This is where our opinions differ slightly. I would usually say that if someone is without a doubt mentally unstable (I say without a doubt because a lot of people try to fake it to get off easier) then they should be institutionalized and receive the treatment they need but when you do the types of things this guy has done that treatment is most likely not going to do anything. If he is institutionalized they will keep him sedated in a padded room for the rest of his life. That's a waste of time to me. He did something horrific and should have to face the penalty for that. A sane person would face the death penalty as should he.

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Prisons are only to reform on paper, no one expects reformation from prison, which is why he should be in a high security mental health facility.
Like I said above that mental health facility won't help him. He'll be sedated for the rest of his life. He should have to face his actions like everyone else. There's no excuse for what he did.
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He should have to face his actions like everyone else.
I highly doubt that someone who has the ability to do what he has done is going to have sorrow or even realise that what he has done is wrong. (God I'm being an ass tonight, shoulda just ****ed that ugly chubby girl.)
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I highly doubt that someone who has the ability to do what he has done is going to have sorrow or even realise that what he has done is wrong. (God I'm being an ass tonight, shoulda just ****ed that ugly chubby girl.)
I guarantee he realizes what he did is wrong. From the way it's written they make it seem like he ripped out his first eye in hopes that the judge wouldn't convict him of the crime and sentence him to death.
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