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post #11 of 99 (permalink) Old 02-25-2009, 06:35 PM
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You can let someone out of prison if they're found innocent at a later date; you can't if they're dead. They've kinda got around this by having a massive wait before execution, but I don't think I could ever support it on principal, even though there are a lot of people who deserve it and are a drain on the economy and society.
I really hate that argument.

You can't give back the years of imprisonment, so lets just not lock them up either.

And there are no innocent people.

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I really hate that argument.

You can't give back the years of imprisonment, so lets just not lock them up either.
No, but you can give them back the remaining years of their life.

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No, but you can give them back the remaining years of their life.
I just hate that our system is set up on letting 1000 guilty people go free to protect the one "innocent" man that might get punished.


Stupid, STUPID set up if you ask me.

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That's a silly argument. It's also illegal for you to grab someone and lock them in your basement for twenty years, but it's fine for the police and government to do it. You couldn't give morphine to a six-year-old, but a doctor can. Societies rest powers in their governments under the assumption that they'll handle it fairly, but average guys just can't do much of the really fun stuff.

People go to jail to protect the rest of society from them, and a doctor gives a girl morphine because he's qualified to do so and knows what dosage to give without causing any harm, both those things are way different than killing someone IMO.

If a guy kills someone because he honestly believed the person he killed deserved to die, and the courts don't accept that as justification, then how is it justifiable for them to assume that HE deserves to be killed?
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Which costs less, executing someone or maintaining them on death row for 15 years while they file appeals? It sounded like a no-brainer to me but I've read that it costs more to execute someone. That can't be right.


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Which costs less, executing someone or maintaining them on death row for 15 years while they file appeals? It sounded like a no-brainer to me but I've read that it costs more to execute someone. That can't be right.
No, it costs more if you add in the death row bit and appeals.
You can't just take em out the back of the court house and shoot them.


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I just hate that our system is set up on letting 1000 guilty people go free to protect the one "innocent" man that might get punished.


Stupid, STUPID set up if you ask me.
It's not though.
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http://law.jrank.org/pages/5002/Capi...UNISHMENT.html a bit of an older article but sheds some light on the costs of executing vs the amount it would cost to incarcerate.
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I'm all for the death penalty, in principle. The tough part is the application of how it is used and handled.
I agree.

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I think child serial rapists- should be killed and honestly as painful as possible so it doesn't just have to for murder.
Is this because of the low chance of rehabilitation and the high chance of recurrence?



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I really hate that argument.

You can't give back the years of imprisonment, so lets just not lock them up either.
Like XitUp said, you can give them back the rest of their life. If they're innocent and we execute them (it has happened, still happens, and will continue to happen as long as we have the death penalty), then we killed an innocent man. If that happens, what makes us better than an ordinary killer?

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Not sure what this is supposed to mean. The only thing I can come up with is that you believe everyone is deserving of the death penalty. You want to volunteer?
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I just hate that our system is set up on letting 1000 guilty people go free to protect the one "innocent" man that might get punished.


Stupid, STUPID set up if you ask me.
Not if you're the one innocent man.

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